Listening Booth


#1

Really wish we could have some sort rule instilled where you can’t post a song without giving feedback to the last 3 or more posters!

Feel like for years I’ve come around here, and attempted to share, ask for feedback, and so on and rarely get any!

Now granted there’s a few people out there who do check out my stuff, but sheesh sometimes I go for days without a listen or a word! While seeing new threads pop up left and right! This isn’t to say I think my material is good, or even half decent.

I know this may come off whiney or making a fuss to some of you, but it would be really nice to have the LB be used with the basic set of principles it was once founded on.

I think it use to be something like give feedback fro 3 post, before posting? This might of been back in 2011 or before, but yeah… thanks for listening/reading to me moan!


#2

The only problem with that is there is basically no way to enforce it without someone spending a lot of time watching the LB. Trust me, I hear you. I try to make an effort and pop in now and again to comment on posts w/ zero responses. It is an uphill battle against human nature, unfortunately.

I can look into the forum tools to see if there is a way to force people to respond to pre-made threads specifically in the LB before being able to post there, but that would be a one time deal for newbies only. We would probably have to pay for an algorithm that went beyond that and I’m not sure it is even possible.

There was this dude on the old forum I wanted to ban for years because he never did anything post his own shit all over the forum and when someone did give him feedback he got all defensive and told them why they were wrong about their criticism (when often that couldn’t have been further from the truth). He even once whined that, basically, he deserved accolades simply because he made music. Richard Tavers if you are reading this, don’t bother signing up for an account here again!


#3

Oh I remember that muppet!

Yeah paying for someone to write a algorithm for such would be a shame! Sorry can’t say that I studied C#. or any coding language enough to help there!

Too true about the uphill battle. Thinking of maybe also starting some sort’ve

What did you create today?

thread in LB to get pinned. Problem is we’ve always had the genre - artist - title bit rolling, and creating that type of thread in LB would go against the policy.

Any thoughts? (Everyone else please feel free to chime in as well, doesn’t have to be just me and Relic chatting it up! :laughing: )


#4

I second the motion. If anyone has any suggestions, I’m all ears. Currently I’m kind of taking care of spam and related duties by myself. Having an LB mod or two isn’t out of the question, but I really don’t have time to police strict policies in particular parts of the forum.


#5

Honestly I only leave feedback if I genuinely have something to say or suggest, I’d rather post something meaningful as opposed to “good track” also I’m not a good reviewer nor an authority as to what is good musically

A what did you create today thread is a good idea being that sometimes I make a herp derp track on my days off, I’d rather post those one shot jams that I made on my days off in a thread as opposed to flooding the lb with 20 threads of tracks where I’m just practicising diff sound design techniques


#6

Yeah only problem about the “what did you create today” thread is maybe we need to come up with a set of guidelines for it? or it could be something we redefine as : post snippets in what did you create, or just leave it open to posting sound design, or whatever…

Leaving us more of a option to post actual songs that we are looking for feedback on in other threads in LB. Just throwing out thoughts…


#7

It runs in my mind we had a thread like that at some point on IDMf, though it wasn’t in the LB. It was for super early draft WIPs…stuff that might just be like…a “main loop” or whatever.


#8

Maybe have a WIP sub forum anyway. it’s unusual for a music forum not to have one, and then keep the listening booth for finished stuff.


#9

Then what would be the point of having the members release section?


#10

Not all finished stuff is released, and released to me means put out for people to download/buy. What’s released in your definition?


#11

Finish to me means ready to release it to the world. To let go of. Completed the action or ended the work being done.

I’ve always thought music production worked as a few stages:

Stage 1: Composing/forming the idea.
Stage 2: Recording/tracking/Arranging the sources.
Stage 3: Editing.
Stage 4: Mixing. Critical Listening.
Stage 5: Mastering/Finalizing.

In Film/Entertainment it is usually:
Development/Pre-Production - planning, creative story boards, scouting locations, staging, building sets, gaining $$$$!
Production - shooting, re-shooting, etc.
Post-Production - They bring in material, and actors, we finish up the project. Print it, and send it out to either television stations, distributors, or whatever the client specifies.


#12

The idea of a WIP sub forum is for Say stages 1 to 2, when you need an extra pair of ears on the arrangement itself and sound design etc.

Then the listening booth for stages 4 to 5, when you need an extra pair of ears on the overall mix and master.
Some people are better at giving advice on the latter, and others on the former, so people are often not so comfortable commenting on a say mastering things, as they would be on sound choice and arrangement.
If that makes sense.


#13

Is it possible to somehow implement permissions based on badges?

I was reading up on discord badges and it seems like you can make any custom one you want, so say, you’d get a badge that would be maintained by having at least 2-3 posts for every one you make in a specific subforum, otherwise you’d lose the badge and wouldn’t regain the ability to post in there without obtaining it again with the post requirement.

Not sure, sounds complicated though. and probably spammy. Haha. How was it enforced in the old forum, just by admin watching it?


#14

I’ve got it setup so you need 30 posts to post a new thread in the LB. It was the same on the old forum, the forum software took care of it. I looked into badges initially as well, but it was way more complicated than doing it according to post count and there didn’t seem any advantage to using them.

Badges seem cool, I’m just not sure what purpose they’d serve on IDMf at the moment.


#15

Badges do seem cool! I miss having a nifty title that either you earned or someone set for you!


#16

I did both feel depressed and rewarded when it told me I had 100 consecutive days visited. Lol.


#17

I feel like making the LB too complex to use is meh.

You have to do A B C before D but you’re not guaranteed E because of F and G.

A listen is a listen, feedback is optional. But techincally, to be rewarded for your listen you have to post to other tracks in there.


#18

giving feedback is pretty tough one. It takes multiple takes to try not to repeat yourself in every thread. Nearly by default my thoughts are “it needs something more” if it’s WIP due to this production state. But it’s an obvious statement for any work in progress because to my sense it’s just an idea for a track. But is that even helpful? Another thing: genres. There are genres you don’t listen to and not sure what could be intentional or not. What if it’s artist’s decision on some parts and your feedback can be irrelevant all the suddenly. And then there are some stuff you’re not even sure what to write down after a listen, like when nothing comes to your mind, not in a bad way, of course. Things that were already mentioned by other member in a thread or really just nothing sticks out.


#19

I totally get it.

Sometimes nothing comes to mind, but feedback is critical for positive learning environments. I think it naturally arrives with the spirit of improvement of the individual and or a team.

I also think it is important to be willing to give critiques if one hopes to receive them to strengthen their work.

I get the “genres you don’t listen to” thing, but when it comes to hearing sounds we all have ears and hear the same thing. If something is off, or unpleasant in a song we all hear it the same way. Who cares if someone has already said what you are thinking, you have your own unique point of view that is worth sharing!


#20

Well I think the benefit to the LB is that we don’t all hear the same thing. Whether you’re the poster or the listener.

Also, I don’t think anyone disagrees that feedback is important, in general, but forcing feedback, to push the goal of getting people to give you the same is meh.

Honestly, I bet most of us already have ideas of what we do and don’t like about our projects. How to resolve that part, can be a bit more difficult.

And a side note, I don’t want to police the LB but if someone has multiple posts going on at the same time within a short span, I might also think they need less feedback than another person.