The Philosophy Thread (reminder: philosophy is not politics, religion, nor conspiracy theories)

Amathia

Some bullshit about life.

Theres abstract ideas and real world experience.

Real world experiences are more worth examining than the abstract ideas.

Nothing is ever completely figured out like you can’t have the solution before you go into a problematic situation for some people are better at troubleshooting than others.

Getting lost in the abstract metaphysical realm is a luxury of comfort.

So…dark psychology books about power etc…are written out of abstract reflections..very rarely do those who wield power write books…because they are too busy. And also this kind of stuff it’s ok to know but it’s not a complete guide to life it is just one part of it.

There will be those who believe in virtue and those who believe in power and so on and so forth.

Figure yourself out. Determine which way you want to go but be cognizant of the territory that comes with your choices.

Life is not video game….

It’s a giant rube Goldberg machine…an interconnected chain reaction of cause and effect with all the observable parts playing some sort of role. The problem is that there are parts that we cannot observe..because of our limited perception. Since we cannot observe these parts we cannot understand and are left to our own abstract imagination.

How to be.

Society is ever changing and evolving much like ourselves if we choose such. We can either adapt or get left behind.

If you want to live a life of virtue…that’s fine but be prepared to face moral ambiguities.

If you want to live for yourself….well as long as you don’t do scumbag stuff to others.

If people want to be a scumbag that’s on them.

Keep in mind that people are not above darwinian primal nature…

On that note

Your purpose is self determined for you find the degree of your talents of which exist on a spectrum and cultivate your talents through hard work.

additionally you should cultivate your sense of self otherwise you will be easily programmable and playable by forces that will want to use you for their own ends.

Also dont get to abstract about nature and reality and social relationships for that is an unhealthy coping mechanism…

For there are some people that will play politics with their relationships in order to reach their goals. These kind of people don’t wear your heart on your sleeve no matter what. Playing politics with relationships comes at a cost…and has dire consequences. Some do it out necessity others do it because that is their nature.

Other times it is just a defense mechanism.

Others don’t play politics with their relationships. They might be of better character…considering that they are functional and have better sense.

Gotta discern for yourself which is which.

Right…so focus on building the life that you want…there is no instruction manual gotta figure it out as you go along.

3 penises of masculinity.

Protect

Provide

Problem solving

Good and evil.

If a crocodile eats a rabbit scouraging for food to feed it’s offspring. Is the crocodile evil…or is it just nature?

And what if the angels and demons thing is also metaphor for how we as humans choose to live our lives.

Also I changed my mind…not about the rube Goldberg machine

But I’m not denying spirituality…

For spiritually speaking we do have choices laid out before us…its not a spiritual warfare going on….it maybe something else beyond what we can fathom.

Tolkien the writer of the Lord of the rings…

In his books the universe was created and had evolved through music. The music played by the beings changed in nature and as a result it changed the nature of the beings themselves.

So think of music in a realistic sense in terms of energies vibrations frequency and auras. How we interact with these things determines the result of how things play out.

So we cannot control these forces…we can only choose how we survive and live it.

In tolkien fictitious works the antagonist wanted all of creation to fall in line with it’s dark energy and mold their own world out of it in their own image. Which was conflicting with the harmonious positive energy that originally formed all of creation….I read a SparkNotes of the silmarillion..

Tldr…

It is what we decide to mold our own existence into…

We are all trying to mold our existence into our own image which maybe disharmonious with the original balance and order of things…

Idk maybe it depends on our intentions and how we go about things.

So yeah

Dark isn’t necessarily evil and light isn’t necessarily good.

Evil is evil, dark is dark, light is light, and good is good.

Duh…

But if evil isn’t solely a human nature free will problem. Then the crocodile is evil for eating the rabbit. And in terms of spirituality…evil is abusive, it corrupts, it is devious, antagonistic etc…

And that means good does exist in nature as well, as an opposite. Bringing about hope, peace, redemption, justice, virtue, etc…

In terms of spirituality it may just be what we choose to entertain and let influence us. Meaning it’s a matter of what we flock to and give power to.

And lastly life curses and blessings….

Gotta pay attention to the hints…even though there may be some confusion…gotta work towards the straight and narrow path…and not get sidetracked by distractions. Additionally and to quote smash mouth don’t get knocked down…get up again…etc. For the universe may be responsive to the strength of your energy…so follow your dharma properly…and that will determine some of your karma….I guess.

Tangent…

Imagine 5000 years from now Tolkiens Lord of the rings becomes a kind of religious historical text.

Or we could be terraforming mars to be habitable to humans, either or.

I think this is a good way to define evil vs. just something we don’t like. Do crocodiles have free will, or the ability to rationalize what they’re doing? Not really. They have a brain the size of a peanut that knows how to keep it’s life support system running, hunt, and breed, and that’s it. They don’t have a higher consciousness that ascribes meaning to the things around them beyond “that makes me sick” or “that looks like food”. They’re a very advanced, highly efficient survival machine, but that is all a crocodile brain does. It just takes sensory inputs and generates bodily outputs, like a couple thousand “if/then” statements in code. There’s no abstraction/decision making in between.

On the other hand you get to something like an orca. Those things have memory, traditions, family groups/culture. And they torture their food. Watch orcas hunt a seal sometime, they will toy with it for sometimes hours, and make a game out of it with the pod. Then when they get bored, they finally kill and eat the seal. I think that is a lot closer to evil than a crocodile because the orcas could just as well kill the seal and eat it if they just needed nutrition. But they play.

I’m still not sure I can call that evil though. While orcas understand emotion at some level, I don’t know if they understand that other species have that consciousness as well. We don’t think of it as evil to kill a fly, and coincidentally flies have such a small nervous system that they don’t even process pain - maybe orcas see seals the same way. But then I get to something I think might actually be evil - when orcas hunt other whales. That’s like the equivalent of man hunting primates. There’s enough similarity between the species that you can tell there is more going on than sheer input/output reaction, and I think orcas have to be conscious of that when they hunt and kill whale calfs in front of their mothers. That’s conscious thought, and maybe free will (hard to imagine as they are the apex predators in the ocean, but perhaps the orcas are in a position where without hunting other whales they would starve), so it’s a lot more distasteful for me to witness something like that compared to a crocodile eating a gazelle.

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yeah, i think you’re basically on it. intent and capacity matter a lot here. a crocodile is just wet hardware running ancient firmware. input goes in, output comes out. there’s no story, no meaning-making, no pause to consider necessity. calling that evil feels like blaming gravity for falling.

orcas are where it gets weird. big brains, memory, culture, dialects, family lines. they’re not just surviving, they’re engaging. when they toy with prey, that’s not hunger, that’s stimulation. play. boredom. that’s where it stops feeling morally neutral and starts feeling… charged. not “evil” in a human legal sense, but definitely violence with surplus cognition.

and yeah, i share your hesitation. if orcas don’t actually model the inner experience of a seal, then maybe it’s still just instinct scaled up and dressed nicer. we don’t call it evil when we kill flies. maybe seals register to them the same way flies do to us. consciousness depth changes the ethical temperature.

but the whale-on-whale stuff is where it really turns my stomach. that’s not abstract anymore. that’s close enough to see yourself in it. eyes that recognize. mothers that grieve. social bonds snapping in real time. at that point it feels less like pure biology and more like awareness, even if that awareness is constrained by ecology and survival.

so maybe evil isn’t just harm, but harm done with the ability to understand that harm as harm. crocodiles can’t cross that line. orcas might be standing on it. humans, unfortunately, built a house there and never left.

if anything, apex predator status doesn’t excuse you. it raises the bar. the more conscious you are, the less room you have to hide behind instinct.

in the grand scheme of things does it really matter though? my cat catches a bird out of a nest and lays it in front of me as a gift, after properly tossing its suffering soon-to-be-carcass around in my yard for a half hour. is that evil? then i have to stomp on it, after praising my cat for bringing me a “gift”, as my cat looks at me confused for tossing it in the trash. idk.

orcas are dicks. lol so are we.

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Provocative and offensive ideas or ideas expressed in such a manner….don’t have sufficient merit, and don’t hold up under scrutiny.

Therefore…

It’s an exercise in idiocy.

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I think Martin Luther was provocative and offensive to the catholic church and his ideas hold up.

I’d say the same about MLK Jr. - he was provocative and offensive to a large number of people, including those in power at the time. But the world is better for hearing his ideas, I think.

I think we need to discuss what is “provocative and offensive”, maybe we have different ideas about that which is contributing to the misunderstanding.

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What is provocative and offensive is subjective…

I personally think modern internet political trolling is provocative and offensive and is often without ethical purpose.

Alex jones and nick Fuentes are some examples off the top of my head.

Philosoraptor….the hip hop artist getting publicity off a meme…and spitting facts like musical lyrical Socrates.

50 cent is a better philosopher than some European philosophers…

He was shot 9 times. Made a fortune 3 times.

His ideas are applicable to real life.

And he has life experience instead of bellowing in his own solipsistic thoughts of self absorbtion…

But he is petty AF which is why he probably got shot 9 times.

Hey…can’t pick and choose…

At least he isn’t a bullshit artist

did you read The 50th Law? pretty good stuff. not worth spending full price on but DM me your address and i’ll send it to you if you want. (spring cleaning)

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I already have the book lol. Got it during COVID ..as part of my reading list…never got around to finishing it.

Because been busy in my efforts at dating.

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it doesn’t matter because he’s…

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Power games and social strategery…

Like in my experience having that mindset is socially unhealthy because it can destroy relationships…I’ve seen acquaintances act upon this stuff…and completely alternate themselves from people which often lead to shunning.

Not only because it’s not ethical…but also because it’s an exercise in assholedom…

Even though I’ve seen others who used this stuff who were more successful in applying this stuff than other people… the difference between the successful and the not successful was that they could back up their bullshit…and were more clever…those that didn’t succeed you can tell were trying to show off and weren’t as clever.

It’s like faking authenticity….which occurs very much in anything in regards to the fashion world.

Even though faking it till you make it is how you turn imagination into reality…sometimes your better off not faking it.

And sometimes…you gotta judge for yourself whether or not you can take the risk…because if you risk it and fail gotta be able to take the failure….

Because it’s not a game you cannot bounce back from every failure being that there is no reset button or saving points that allow for do overs in life.

Awareness is the goal of this kind of content…so that the playing field is level…

But use every advantage you have… don’t throw away your gifts.

If you want to be a billionaire…like Elon musk…gotta make the most out of every opportunity put in the work…but you gotta be willing to take huge risks and make sacrifices and most importantly be innovative and game changing.

That being said some do exploit others and exploitation of others is a shortcut that creates a multitude of problems. And lying cheating stealing always comes back and catches up with you…and don’t be surprised with being held accountable.

And when people are exploited they tend to fight back as they should. Because exploitation is unjust and unethical…but it occurs hence why it’s necessary to be aware of power games that people play.

Additionally there are some that complain about equality and equity, they are mostly people that don’t want to put in any effort and want to be taking care of….some use it as an excuse for a person to not do anything for themselves.

Forgot where I was going with this…

But anyways those that succeed legitimately are innovators and game changers.

If you want to change the game be like Genghis khan and fight for it…because if the genghis khan you khan too.

Over complexifying things is an unhealthy coping mechanism.

Un complexify and take action to your problems.

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Totally agree. When you have something complicated in front of you, break it down into parts you can understand and start there.

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Monopoly taught us financial literacy as a game

You’re telling me this Rube Goldberging is for nothing?!

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Occams razor

Nobody knows for sure therefore imagination influences perception until solid evidence confirms.

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Bro-ccams razor

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