Success as a musician both artistically and commercially

When you look at who is a successful musician artist wise

First name that comes to my mind is aphex twin…

Commercially

Deadmau5

50 cent

Pop smoke

Skrillex to some degree

Basically dance and club music.

But who has succeeded in both….artistically and commercially…I cannot think of anyone.

So is it better be a success artistically or commercially

I’d argue artistically because it has a greater impact

Commercially often depends upon what is trendy and is subject to the whims of fads. And to be continuously successful you gotta keep finding new gimmicks to stay relevant. I mean remember everyone wanting to jump on the edm bandwagon because of deadmau5…now years later barely anybody cares…

Imo…

So what do you think

Feel free to share your thoughts.

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What is the artistry metric in this case, though? It almost seems like it could mean anything.

If we’re shooting for ‘anything with more considerable complexity or general weirdness than most’, there are some artists who, in my mind at least, straddle both worlds: Radiohead, Bjork, Aphex Twin, Primus, Flying Lotus, and I’m sure there are a lot of others. But from what I can gather, your two metrics are at potential odds with one another fundamentally; is club music ever, by definition, anything similar to the former? They just seem like opposing worlds; and what becomes ‘normal’ to our ears over time is likely to erode our feelings of listening to something alien. Remember when EDM was ‘just noise’?

Another thing to consider is that fads are always changing, and artists of all varieties are moving the needle little by little, even if we don’t like them so much, and their contribution still matters; Deadmau5 and Skrillex added more interesting nuances to the electronic music conversation, and that impact will never be forgotten - even if most of us just think it sounds like cheese now.

I’d also argue that small artists (and developers, for sure) make a contribution as well - if not alone, than as a cluster of creatives who also sway opinions, find new workflows, design new sounds, and often share them with others. Hell, lately I’ve been seeing a shitload of YT videos where old metal guys switch over from Protools to Reaper in order to save time - what a time to be alive, right? They all start out with a sincere apology :joy:

I don’t know what my point is, but the infatuation with commercial success as a metric like this is just ludicrous to me. Even the fans of what could be considered generic pop by a lot of us are totally listening to underground artists when their friends aren’t around (you know, ‘quiet time’). The dispersion just doesn’t skew well for smaller artists, because that’s like 99.999999999% of all artists on the planet fighting over scraps, and that’s why we all cry about only having X amount of listeners at any given time (oh wait, that’s just me?).

Every artist makes an impact, I will die on that hill. I could also go on a tangent titled “what is success, anyway?”, but that just sounds like a topic for another day :sweat_smile:

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I’ll just say if I sold my soul to the devil it wouldn’t be to be a better artist…

Like if I was going to have one or the other, I’ll take the one with the money and drugs thank you very much. Pretty sure that path has passed me by if it was ever a possibility.

I think the real trick if you do get successful is to not crash out on your way down. If you can descend gracefully and then go on to have a life in studio work, scoring, producing, managing etc with your own financial backing from your glory days, then that’d be the winning move. And maybe that’s when you push yourself more artistically. Because if I can dream I’m gonna dream of having it all damnit.

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probably not a name many people here would know, but bbno$ (Baby No Money) has thrown himself straight into the social net and he is doing damn well

He was literally nobody until some chinese band played one of his throwaway songs. It got super popular and he went to China (while studying physiology at university, btw) and gathered a large following there, before bringing that over back to the USA where he just blasted off. He does have a large community of haters because he’s just everywhere (and some people don’t like seeing him)

I can think of others too. Ray Volpe kinda just appeared with one song and attracted fans like a magnet. Meanwhile, I can’t even break 100 followers, let alone even 20 :smiley:

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Relevant and smart