Mix/Master Lufs


#1

Hi what do some of you prefer towards an end mix for lufs and master?

I read online someone said for the end mix -23 and master -12

I try to ignore the numbers and just listen but would like to just aim to something for streaming releases


#2

I mix at around -18 dB but I master to as close to 0 dB as I can get without clipping.


#3

I’m not sure that 0db is possible in LUFS. You talking peak levels?

OP, I’m not sure where my mixes fall, probably around -20 if I had to guess, but that is just a guess.

For mastering, it depends on the track, but anywhere from -14 up to around -10 LUFS could be right. Just depends on what you’re after.


#4

Oh yeah my bad I’m a VU noob lol. Gonna read up on LUFS.


#5

For mixing/pre-master I aim for -14 db.


#6

Cheers. I think 10 to -14 lufs sounds good for master. Because I know spotify brings all tracks to that level. I’ve started using that music player more


#7

Sounds like a good aim.


#8

This is a good helper:

I got myself the Pro version after using the free one for a while. Cheap & I like the software so I’m always happy to help small devs when I can. And the pdf export is a pretty cool feature :slight_smile:


#9

I always mix & master around -14dB LUFS
there’s a great tool @ plugin alliance : A/B Metric with loads of platform codecs & levels to follow
you can A/B your master with a reference track loaded into the plugin to instantly check your levels & many other important informations for stream platforms.


#10

i mix with my ears and watch a bit my pult so its not red in the master

i master to -14 db LUFS… depending on the music style a bit more could be okay.


#11

it’s the best actually, you train your ear & hear the music with more accuracy …
it’s only a visual feedback to make some quick arrangements
i never spend too much time on those tools, i’d rather spend days on a good mix


#12

yes great… it was exactly my point, don’t spent to much energy having the number correct and look to long on such tools

It took me years (and good monitors) to get an ear for that . It turns out now, that almost every mix i do is already in a good level. I really need only very minor tweaks for the master
And there i also use the Youlean to set it to the proper LUFS level


#14

c’mon, we all know that -8 LUFS is a must nowadays for electronic music. too loud? that’s sure, but that’s where every pro release goes :frowning:


#15

for a physical release we don’t mind the level (kind of) … this NEW lufs level thing is only for streaming platforms & the codecs have just changed for the better … this loudness war shyt is finished & it’s a good thing … we can now focus on the quality of the mix & master & forget about the levels as the platform will normalise the level of your tracks so the lower the better … if it’s too loud, the track is compressed & loose dynamic … if it’s too low, it gets normalised & keep its dynamic …

it’s true but the difference is that in pro studios they have the dedicated equipment … for the average consumer like me i’d rather follow this new lufs standard.
the thing is, with this new standard , they just lower the volume a lot …


#16

whish I was brave enough to put out a master at -12 LUFS…

I tried soundcloud go+ as my main platform to listen to music and the level jumped up and down A LOT :frowning:


#17

you wander …

let’s give try you’ll hear the difference …


#18

don’t get me wrong, I agree. I narcissistically listen to my own music quite often and honestly my favourite version is always the mixdown. unfortunately the genre I make is one of the most plagued by the loudness war, with main artists going easily even to -7 lufs.

can you imagine a dj set with all the tracks going that high with your poor, tiny, unfortunate tune at -12 shying in between? I had this experience and it was embarassing. that’s the problem.


#19

The track I was doing last night was around -8 lufs after master ozone 9 switched on. Sounded good to me, at end of day I just think if it sounds good then it is. Think somebody said that here before. I had a track on spotify last year around 6- lufs and it sounded good and even alongside established artists in my playlist. It wasn’t loud either which was good for me