How long do you take

…to complete a track that you would be proud to release?

I know you’re thinking, it depends on genre, studio setup, experience, etc., but I’m asking for a good reason. I started producing at the start of this year and as time has gone on and my skills have improved, I find that I’m taking between 30-50 hours in my DAW to “finish” a track to my satisfaction. Someone once said that art is never finished, it’s abandoned but I wonder if I’m procrastinating, rushing or being over-critical? Do people take a heck of a lot longer that that? Really interested to know what the community thinks.

Carl.

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This is a a god question, and a hard on to answer because it is really so subjective. I’ll do my best here.

For me, it just depends on what i’m releasing. My latest EP took me i think about 4-5 months for the four tracks. That is from initial conception all the way to - it’s out on bandcamp and streaming services.

I guess that averages out to about a month per track (all of that was obviously not active time, some of it was the period between when i finished the mixes and it was sent off for mastering / waiting for the official release) which I feel like is probably about where I am normally at on average. This holds for my first album as well. It was 12 tracks and the whole think took me a little over a year from start to finish.

My working sessions are usually like 1 - 4 hours long, depending on how much time i have and how motivated/inspired i feel to work on music. I’m not sure what the exact math is on that but it’s probably not too far off from your 30-50 hours. That being said, i have spent a lot longer on tracks before as well.

I feel like you are always going to be your own worst critic. It’s hard to know when to call it quits on a track or call something done. I think thats something we probably all struggle with a little bit here. Don’t know that there is a good way to not experience that, it’s just the plight of the artist.

That being said, i think it is totally possible to overwork music. Part of the skills you will develop over time is knowing when something is in just the right state to release per your expectations.

Anyway, I think at the end of the day, the time isn’t really what’s important. If you feel satisfied with it, that’s what matters most. Learning how to feel satisfied and learning what your own standards are and how reasonable they are is a much better gauge. And it never hurts to get feedback from others in cases where you are unsure. it helps soooo freaking much to have additional ears on something, especially when you’re in doubt or are not sure.

A little side note on feedback from others since you’re new here too: I think it becomes important to know what kinds of feedback your looking for from people.

When i want feedback, I normally post a track and let people have at it however they want. Sometimes i get feedback i care about, such as “its a little boring in this section”, “the kick is too loud”, “it sounds kinda over-compressed”, etc. I always try to listed to things like that, especially when it comes to mixing.

Sometimes too you will get feedback that might be valid but has more to do with preferences such as “The drums are pretty distorted and I don’t like such distorted drums” or “The use of {insert some particular plugin} is very obvious and doesn’t sound very creative” (both of these are examples of feedback i’ve received on my work over the years). This is just someone stating their preference, and it doesn’t mean you need to go change that part of your track if you like it the way it is.

TLRD on getting feedback from others. If you like their suggestions go with it. If not, don’t feel obligated to listen or oblige them. At the end of the day you’re the master of your work, so make sure you do what you want to hear and not what others want. Everyone here is pretty good about leaving constructive feedback that is helpful as long as you understand your vision well enough.

Ok, rant over. You’ll find that i’m very long winded on here, sorry about that, hope some of this was helpful!

Cheers!

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My DAW has a project timer where you can go look and see how long you spend in the project. For my released tracks the time tends to be 20-30 hours. To put that time in, it usually takes me about a year. Sometimes it’s less, but I’m really comfortable with stepping away from a song and working on something else if I’m not sure what to do next.

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Personally, anywhere from 20 hours to literally hundreds and hundreds.

For me, there’s two parts to the equation - the first is technical skills. Can you make a Reese bass if you need one? Which channel strip do you prefer for drums? Given a raw sound source, how long does it take you to dial in a compressor? All things that you’ll get faster at as time goes on if you make music and being faster at them means more making. These are skills that won’t make art (you’d use them the same in a cover band or producing radio jingles), but they get you to the next step:

“Making executive decisions”, for lack of a better term. This is the art, full stop. Does it sound good? Is it the feel you’re going for? Does it need more of this or that or a bridge right about here? Is it good or good enough? Is it done? There’s a million people in the world that are better than you at the technical crap, but these are questions only you can answer because it’s your art. And sometimes you’ll make the wrong decision and hate that you did it and carry that knowledge on. You will get better and faster at those decisions, and your path will diverge - either you’ll get more art out quicker, or you’ll use that extra time to refine what you’re making because you decide it needs it. I’m sure there’s music you love that was made faster than you think, and some that was agonized over for ages. It just how people do.

This isn’t your job. There’s no deadline. Take part in the process, enjoy getting better and learning to make decisions about your art, but don’t beat yourself up or hold yourself to some artificial standard, because creatively everyone moves at their own pace.

That’s my take on it as well. I’ve had tracks I’m still happy with years later that I banged out in a weekend because things fell into place and I made the magic happen. I have other pieces that I’m still working on after years because I know there’s a nugget of something I want in there but I’m not sure how to get at it.

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Taking too long usually ruins my tracks. If I can put something together in 4-8 hours, that’s ideal. Otherwise it’s just diminishing returns and over-analysis. I’ve been really trying to speed up my workflow over the past few years, honestly.

This doesn’t count the design phase, though, but since I pretty much share everything I make it serves a dual-purpose and doesn’t feel wasted.

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It’s really hard to say for me, but I tend to agree more and more with what @KvlT wrote. Nowadays I don’t have much time for music and try to “finish” stuff in a few hours, and often I like these tracks better than many older tracks that took way, way longer. On the other hand, I still like a few tracks that I worked on for many years on and off, and think that they have a certain depth. It really depends… Sorry for not being helpful lol but welcome to the forum in any case @LFO.juice

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Sorry :rofl:

Since i dont make music for anyone else, I’ve learned not to put a time limit on it. It’s done when it’s done and i have no recollection on how long it takes. I plan to have an album finished by the end of the year, but at this rate that isn’t going to happen, and I already have a solid track structure down with roughly 50% of it “completed”. However, i know will need to go back into those sessions and change up a few things here and there to make the album coherent as a whole.

I think the best thing you can do is work at your own pace, and if nobody’s paying you for your work, then it doesn’t really matter how long it takes. As long as your inspiration doesn’t die. (This has happened to all of us).

Hahaha! Don’t apologize, I was just using it as an example to make a point. You didn’t hurt my feelings I promise. :wink:

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I would echo a lot of what is here already. So, I’ll mention something a bit different; a lot of what I enjoy doing is DJ oriented, looping/sampling different parts of different tracks, maybe adding some of my own drum patterns in or other samples–I can come up with a very danceable and listenable collage pretty quickly. However, I don’t record 99% of this work though and so often it is gone forever as quick as I created it.

This is great for my enjoyment or the enjoyment of friends I have over. It is quick, dirty, fun, very punk/hip-hop/rave DIY. Especially nice for myself as I just don’t find much time to sit and work seriously on my own full on tracks these days.

Time can be very subjective when it comes to artistic intent.

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I’d just like to say a big thanks to everyone who took time to post their really interesting thoughts on this subject.

A couple of points worth picking up on:-

Since production is not my job, the “no time limit” is fine but it also reassures me that other members have said that they, too, can take several tens of hours to produce tracks. I’m happy that I’m putting in the effort to be the best I can. I also acknowledge that sometimes and after a few hours you feel like you’re flogging a dead horse and maybe it’s time to put the project on hold. At least you tried and, hopefully, learned something along the way.

Incidentally, one of my main motives for producing is keeping my mind active. My dad died after suffering for years with dementia and I believe that learning new skills helps enormously. Lets be honest, music production is hard but it’s very rewarding. There are so many areas to explore and I can’t imagine getting bored or running out of torches to shine into interesting dark corners.

Finally, I’m very impressed by the quality of the comments received. I chose wisely joining this forum! :+1: :grinning: :sunglasses:

Carl.

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It usually takes me about 3 to 4 hours to write and record the song. Then another 2 hours for a mix.

Early morning around 5am is my bread and butter to write and work on music. Start at 5am and end up having a full fleshed out and mixed track by 10am.

I try to when I get home from work but the inspiration is not there nor the work ethic. I usually just fart around building presets in renoise and fart around in VCV Rack if I work on shit at night.

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You’re like, my hero. I wish I was a morning person like that… It’s like the opposite for me. I used to stay up at night until like 5am (not nearly as late now because of kids).

Maybe though, in some sense… that makes me a morning person. :rofl:

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