Holy crap
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Dang, you guys are getting Stems and Splice now too?
I got that last year in FL with my lifetime free updates 
(which I’ve literally never used, go figure)
Seriously though, the autopan/tremolo thing looks cool. I use soundtoys panman in every track for that kind of stuff, so I’m legit stoked that you get a built in version of that.
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They will never have our delicious, moddable piano roll though. Let’s be honest 
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I might’ve switched tracks a lot since I was a dirty swashbuckler, but not being able to afford Live has been a real game changer. I still get nostalgic for it, but they do seem to lag a bit now when it comes to certain features
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I have to say, I couldn’t wrap my head around live when I tried it, but even I could appreciate how their sequencer worked. It was completely foreign to me, but I can see how it’s perfect for making or remixing all kinds of EDM.
And the built in FX and chains you can do, also powerful and convenient. Like, yeah, I can definitely make FL do all that, but it’s not as clean/obvious as it is in Ableton. I think that UI is what you’re paying for, and I give serious props to Ableton in that department. Not only does it work, but it is extremely consistent across all their devices.
Compare that to FL where the factory synths/FX include Sytrus, Sakura, Harmor, Maximus, Boobass, 3 Osc… it’s a mess and I know it. Documentation is kind of all over the place too, to the point where they introduced an AI chatbot in the DAW to help you answer questions… I think that says more about the FL UI and community documentation than I ever could.
Don’t get me wrong, I continue to use this and not be tempted by anything else because I have all this arcane knowledge now and I don’t want to go through this again with another DAW, but I can see the issues compared to if I had started out with Live. I would have gotten where I am now faster, for sure.
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Aside from the non full MPE compatibility, that’s the biggest weakness of FL Studio IMO. Their synths are 200 years old or just plain weak.
My ideal DAW would have the FL Studio flow/interface with Reason stock plugins. Reason has incredible stock synths and players. Yes, I do use Reason 13 as a plugin rack inside FL25, but it’s not ideal for quite a few things.
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dude. can we talk about the stem separation option too? that’s the part that made me nearly bust in my pants. very interested to see how well that works. i’m also interested to see how badly it works too, because i don’t discriminate
If it’s Spleeter (I’ll do more research when I’m not on mobile) it’s actually pretty damn good. When soloed you can definitely hear some spectral artifacts, but with some good, careful mixing you can outright steal drums from people and all sorts of shit.
Spleeter is free, though, and anyone can use it outside of the DAW pretty easily. Having a frontend or a way to do it like this is just convenient, but not really mandatory or exclusive
in this case i don’t think it’s stealing at all (but we’ll let the courts decide 
) because really there is no perfect way to separate instrument parts to get a perfect representation of the original, unless AI can do that now?
also “steal” is a harsh word, when you think about it all artists to do is steal from each other. we’re all just swimming in a big collective consciousness soup can in the cosmic grocery store really.
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lol you Fruities i swear, i love you but anytime there’s an Ableton thread posted you sound like android users
OUR CAMERA HAS MORE PIXELS ALSO WE CAN WRITE OUR OWN APPS
i’m over here on Ableton like wow bro
don’t worry, FL studio is cool too.
Ableton’s just cooler.
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That said, I have either an Ableton 9 or 10 license that I would be willing to share with someone if anyone out there is wanting to use it and try it out. I didn’t realize how expensive Live is now and anything I can do to help people get on board with it I am happy to do. That license is unused just sitting there and if someone is just trying to learn, or thinking about getting Abletits and wants to check it out: hit me up
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It’s using Music AI/Moises algorithms. I don’t know how that compares with Spleeter. I tried the feature out in the beta just to say I did, gave some feedback, then ignored it because it’s not something I see myself using. Results seemed mostly to be about extracting drums, which it did pretty well. It really seems dependent on the source material; there was a shimmer in the “Other” track that I think was some of the drum and vocal highs, and both those tracks were a bit dull on the top end.
I’m sure it’s the result of their training data, but it can definitely get confused if you feed it something that doesn’t conform to “standard” music. You basically get a grab bag of random stuff in each track. Interesting and fun, but not at all useful in the way they intended.
I think it’s probably fine for the people that use this kind of stuff? I don’t know how high a bar there is for this kind of thing and what people expect to get out the other end. I still just cut shit up and EQ it as clean as I can like it’s 1992 lol
I guess related, Ableton’s got 25% off software for Black Friday, including upgrades. Thomann also has dirt cheap upgrades for Live right now.
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This sounds like an incredible use case; feed it something you’ve already made and see what it extracts 
Yeah I cannot wait to deep dive into this a bit because man-o-man-o-man… that. is a cool feature.
do you guys remember this same concept being attempted maybe 10+ years back? there was some VST that claimed to extract vocals or something. my mind is hazy. can’t be arsed to look it up. but yeah damn it was terrible.
yeah i definitely see the “oh great now everyone can do that” sentiment of it. i feel a twitch of snark flick me in the back of my brain knowing that anyone will able to extrapolate audio like this can be seen as all the buzzwords: copying, ripping, stealing or whatever – lol i call it “accumulating” – yeah I mean, fuck dude. i wish i made money for writing tunes. i’ve been on this hustle my whole life. it’s really hard to quantify a time based art that we don’t have to look at, isn’t it? that’s music, and that’s the state of the world we’re in. great, not only can people tell a computer to make music like mine, now they can take my actual music and rip it apart OH GOD WHEN DOES IT ENNNDNDDDD!!!
lol
and i’m diving straight into it .. i mean shit i’m doing a cannonball. so… basically with this new feature, I foresee myself abusing this tool and pushing it to its absolute limits to see what i can get out of it. you know just my usual schtick of “using it not for what was meant for” but that’s kinda what i do to all my instruments in general. humans have always been this way too. the 20th century is when music started getting real good and real weird because people were like “i’m going to use this bow to hit the body of the violin to a beat instead of vibrating its strings” or “i’m going to throw nails and pieces of wood on to my piano strings to see what happens”.
before the 19th century, when a new instrument was added to the orchestra there was pushback from people who were afraid of change, comfortable with the way music sounded. don’t change anything. but that’s not how it works. it’s ok to resist change – i’m afraid of change too sometimes, shit a lot of the time. this is the natural flow. we are now in the event horizon of singularity 
we will soon all become one, solve world hunger and war, and communicate in the language of music, becoming immortal gods.
nah come on man we’re humans, we will always find some way to fuck it all up hahaha. what am i even talking about? lmao.
shit man. i haven’t even tried it. HAHA. and i’m already suckin Ableton off because i am such a damn Abletwat. i feel like i sound like the Ableton fanboy version of iSlave sometimes. we need to come up with a name for that.
ok but for real! opinions aside, this is a cool feature. extrapolate the beat? that’s neat. the vocals? sure, remixes yay i love remixing. but it’s that “other” category I’m really interested in. I’m writing this post instead of trying it. christ almighty. i am such a turd. i’m gona hit post and go try it right now and i’ll get back to you.
edit also this:
Wow. His old videos are definitely my sweet spot; I’m going to rewatch this one, too. If I remember, he pretty much favored FL for a whole list of reasons, but I’m interested in seeing how far down the rabbit hole he goes in terms of features.
I’ve seen people like Baphometrix do that with Live vs Bitwig, but that one is for serious neckbeards only, and Bitwig still remains niche for whatever reason. I get this feeling Le Flashbulb puts some stank on this one. I wish he would go back to these types of videos 
haha i don’t know if you can see this but lol https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxiPZVba8dNZ72h7-5LBLeHCSb4cbY4INi?si=gqwxi3yGgKBkW8M3
the DAW vs DAW “argument” has been going on since DAT went obsolete and hard disk memory technology was invented aka THE LITERAL MOMENT WE BECAME CAPABLE OF RECORDING AND DISTRIBUTING MUSIC DIGITALLY
i feel like at this point its age-old thread DAW boomer necro clickbait that 13 year olds and suburban bros 10 years older than me are watching because they were in metal bands their whole lives but now that wanna “make beats”. it’s the godwin’s law of DAW. Benn is brilliant in this video though. he is a great communicator, i follow most of his shenanigans and i really like hearing his opinion about anything in this “debate” (it’s not a fucking debate!) and says all the things that are correct about Ableton. i have my qualms with it too. I’ve been learning Logic for the last year and now i’m like hmmm… .scopin that sexy sonar lady over there… I can’t stop I’m a DAW addict!
anyway yeah the versus shit is dumb i only feed into it for lulz
I actually really do want to try FLS, i’m going to look into that…
Watching him on 1.5 speed turns him into Jesse Eisenberg real fast 
He makes some good points; I’ve still never even attempted recording audio in FL just yet because of the sheer confusion of where the fuck things are going to end up. Record to this track? How about the one next to it? Oh, I can put it directly into an instance of Edison (the audio editor) and then you can go and fish it out.
Also I think Live fixed the panning issue and a few of the other gripes he had. Maybe he even had an influence on a few of their updates after that one, since more people are likely to bandwagon. Premade M4L should get a hall pass for usability though, maybe, because you don’t have to sit around and tweak in order to get them to work. They’re just like legos that make your workflow a million times better.
The case of BW / Live was fun at the time because it was ex-Ableton employees, IIRC, basically emulating the hybrid of M4L’s modulators with Ableton’s general workflow. I’ve still got a lite version if you want to check that out, but I wish I could say the same about FL
I actually think that Ableton directly used his complaints (along with others) to fix a lot of the problems he addressed. yet another thing i like about them, they read our bitching and tune into it.
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Can confirm… the new stem separation feature is quite accurate and pretty damn good. and as I thought, the “others” section is the best part imo. impressive. will post a video on this soon.
for now, here’s how it did with my NOTICE - Mother track:
(Downloads enabled btw, have fun)
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I’m going to see how much this demo will let me do / keep in that department. I can usually bounce and fish out temp files so unless they did something to prevent that, I’m going to check this shit out. And hopefully keep whatever weirdness came out of it
NO I DO NOT WANT 30 DAYS FREE; I want to circumvent this shit as hard as I possibly can
Also, lol:
Apparently you can just bounce whatever you want. No need to pay for any of it, no need to ride the seven seas or any of that bullshit. I love when they let you do this 
. I managed to successfully extract a sound design session where my mic was turned on and you can hear my wife telling me goodnight in the background; AI totally picked her voice out, no issues. Seems gr8 m8. I’d have to do an A/B, but this might be better than FL’s Spleeter implementation
If their demo version of M4L included the low-level stuff, I would be in demo heaven
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