Society

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Woke the politically appropriated term that has come to describe politically biased sociology based off of individual conjecture thats rooted in ego driven thoughts. Being that such is a reflection of their values and the way they want society to be….

But society isnt just about you or me…its about everyone. Nietszche talked about society degrading itself and about how individual will can influence societal direction…basically instead of being a sheep, be a leader that inspires others to follow in your example.

However the thing about society is that we all wont get along and we all cant have things our way, we gotta compromise and get along with each other and be responsible

So we can carry a bag a dildos to sell to people…

and be influencers….

Or actually work for a living.

Either or.

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Also with sociology…in a political sense…theres too much idealism and not much realism that accounts for human ingenuity towards doing devious unethical shit.

The only thing i personally could come up with is that we all as a society have that really hard discussions to figure out what we collectively agree to what societys values should be in terms of what the established values are/were…

But we gotta compromise and also not be apologists for our respective groups when someone does fucked up stuff…but whatever.

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Woke means being aware of social injustice, not that

Also please stop mentioning certain body parts that’s just nasty

But you sound like Facebook soooooo

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I know even though that was the original definition, it got generalized and was politically redefined for convenience, also fakebook is phony.

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Also internet, thick skin, i agree with you that people should conduct themselves better on the internet…

But technically people cant tell people what to do on the internet…

People most of the time develop a conscience on their own terms and conduct themselves accordingly.

Lastly the internet is not serious business.

And something to keep in mind about idmf….on the old forum there was so much skrillmau5 spam…

Eventually a faction of the users started posting skrillmau5 porn as a joke.

The takeaway from those skrillmau5 wars…is

Theres all sorts of nonsense on the internet…no use in getting riled up over it.

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This whole topic is you getting riled over internet nonsense ;____;

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It’s just how he do. Best to just let it happen. :laughing:

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What is with you telling people how to shitpost? :joy:

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As a numbers guy, the biggest problem I see is rising inequality between the rich and poor. America was founded on the ideal that anyone could come here and get as far as they wanted. Seriously, people could come over with nothing, work as indentured servants for 7 years to earn their freedom, start from zero, and be a voting landholder within their lifetime. Europe couldn’t offer that at the time, so people came.

I won’t sit here and say we got everything right. When we ran out of people willing to trade years of their lives to earn their way over here, we turned to slavery in the single biggest mistake America has ever (and hopefully will ever) make. And we have fumbled trying to back out of that ever since.

But the fact is, America is the home of more rags to riches stories than any country in history, and I think that is an important part of our culture. And I think it’s becoming increasingly less and less possible to make that happen anymore. There’s a lot of little things that add up to this, but the fact is the rich keep getting richer, out earning the rest of us, and are also politically connected to drive policy in a direction that favors themselves at the expense of the ordinary person.

Every country in history that has gone this way has ended up worse off. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the period of largest economic growth in history in the world (two decades after WWII) was marked by increased government regulation, increased taxes on the wealthy (as high as 90% in the US back then, if you can believe it), and reduced inequality between the rich and poor. I wasn’t alive and I’m not calling for a return to the “good old days” where it was OK to be racist - I’m saying the government can’t pull it’s head out of it’s ass and balance the budget because it’s being puppeted by the rich who don’t want to pay a 90% tax rate to get us back on track. And I think I speak for us all when I say the government isn’t going to get the money it needs from us. If I gave the government everything I earned, it wouldn’t make a dent in our budget. If Bezos had to give 1% of his accumulated wealth every year, it would add up.

But the government isn’t going to do that because people like Bezos bankroll both sides and would rather keep their piece of pie and watch society crumble than pay more than what they feel is their fair share. I’m not saying that’s right or wrong, that’s just how it is, and I DO think it’s a problem. And it isn’t as easy as just raising taxes to 90% anymore. It used to be difficult to move money around the world, so a 90% US tax rate was something you actually had to pay as a US citizen. These days, when you have that much money you can be a citizen of anywhere you want. So if the US ever DID actually tax the rich like in the good ol days, they would just leave and go live in the caymans or something. This already happens at an interstate level, do you think all the rich people live down in Florida for the weather or the company? NO, Bezos moved down there to save tens of billions in dollars of taxes he would owe if he lived in Washington. For someone that rich, moving country is like one extra signature than moving state.

So, what’s going to happen is the US is either going to make some hard decisions and fully gut our internal services or our military to make ends meet. And you are just starting to see the beginnings of what that will look like thanks to DOGE. OR, we could always just default on our debt and fuck the whole world order. Either way, that’s what the fall of Rome is going to look like before Western society dips into a new dark age.

Non-western society’s problem is that most of the successful/growing ones depend on us to buy shit from them. So if we stop that they don’t have anyone to invest in getting them to our level, and their progress slows down too. Maybe they can trade amongst each other and not backslide, but they’re not going to suddenly loot us, take our advanced manufacturing capabilities, and pick up where we left off in 5-10 years. It’s decades at least before they can step in and fill the void, likely more.

The solution is drugs and sex. Enjoy it while you can, because my very pessimistic outlook is that no one has the power to do anything about this has the incentive to do so.

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70 percent of the us debt is owned by a combination of the us govt, the fed reserve and us citizens and domestic entities….

30 percent is owned by foreigners.

The spending is out of control and the us has been running on a deficit for years…

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This whole topic was originally a shitpost.

Lol

Shitposting = Is off the cuff talk…totally meaningless

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I thought he was serious =^/

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Oh so you don’t actually talk like The Joker? Phew!

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2010 is when the billionaires won, and of course it’s the corrupt as fuck Supreme Court who handed them the country.

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Can’t argue against that. 15 years gone and the oligarchs have taken over. But we’re so much better than Russia, right? lol

I had a whole rant about money and the root causes of all this, but what does it matter? The toothpaste is out of the tube and now it’s just a long, slow grind to the end. For potentially the only self-aware organisms in the universe, we sure managed to squander it on some petty shit.

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Hi @daffodil112 you must be new here

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the world is upside down. leaders play golf while genocide is sold for clicks as “famine.” the EcOnOmy is a slot machine that we all have to keep feeding just to survive. politicians sell merch and nurture their cults instead of having accountability, media sells fear instead of truth, and everyone is distracted by their own lives till they relax in bed by doom-scrolling themselves to sleep. the gears of all the “isms” are rusted, the machine is broken, and we’re stuck inside it with no welding tools.

art still matters. it cuts through the bullshit. you take grief, rage, confusion, loss, and you run it through wires and it comes back alive as something real. it is so refreshing when I see or hear something remotely human, something that connects people. I’ll use AI all day but the human side of things is where i see the better future. not handed down, not legislated into existence, not nepotized, not wrapped in red, white, and blue—it’s hacked in bedrooms and basements, gardens and rehearsal spaces, forums and late-night DAW sessions. it’s the track you chisel till sunrise then step back and say fuck it, it’s done.

the better future isn’t optimism, it’s refusal. refusal to accept their reality as the only reality. refusal to believe that all we’re good for is consuming what they sell. refusal to let the static bury us. it’s not about waiting for leaders or corporations to “fix” things—it’s about the noise we create, the communities we put into no matter how broken we are, the seeds we plant in broken soil. it’s also about letting go and not giving a fuck, which means giving more fucks than you ever dreamed you could. this shit means nothing, but it means everything at the same time.

and in the end, that’s all there is. technology, time, and society move forward whether we like it or not, and we’re all in it until we’re not. how we choose to show up might shift some things, but it’s not the whole story. because we all die, and there’s no evidence that we get to see what happens after. so while we’re here, we might as well make this stretch of noise and chaos worthwhile — not because it saves the world, but because it’s the only shot we get to feel it, as far as we know.

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Not to be a negative nancy, but I think subcultures are dissolving, too. Or at least they’ve been pushed so far underground that it’s even harder to base a community around them. Once someone gets a wild hair up their ass and decides people of a certain __________ (literally anything) shouldn’t be part of the fun anymore, that toxicity permeates the air like a wet fart and isn’t easy to get out. Plus, as much as it sucks, we all resonate one way or another to these sentiments, even sometimes against our own best interests, and it only serves to divide.

I mean, gatekeeping is part of the fun (if everyone liked IDM, I wouldn’t be here) , but the political theater overlap is seeping into every crevice lately and I wonder if that’s ever going to change. Maybe like you said, it’s kind of tied in with all of that doomscrollery. But as corny as it sounds, it often feels like choosing fear over faith, or fear over human connection.

If nobody has the time or resources for genuine interests anymore, I guess that’s by design, too, because otherwise we’d actually be aware of the universal truth that humans transcend many boundaries in order to form connections and communities when they’re open to it and motivated enough.

It also makes a place like IDMf seem like a miracle that it even continues to exist in our world, the way it currently is. Even just having a few people with a common goal or set of them is becoming an extreme rarity

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Rising inequality in western society and rising inequality between western and non western societies…and competition for limited resources between western and non western societies.

Solution there is always gonna be competition for resources because its nature.

However the sun will eventually go red giant and the earths biosphere will only last a few hundred million years according off hand information where i dont where the data came from or what data is being used that shows this….

Resources problem solution = space exploration.

inequality problem idk…

Getting along problem idk…too many culture wars

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Your great great great great grandma’s immortal pet turtle from 73 BC is new here too say hi to him