Fav synths and VIs for playing with MPE instruments

The Seaborad sounds great to me in principle. I like the idea of being able to pitch bend continuous notes along the top or bottom in particular as compared to the Osmose. But I know a lot of people have problems with at least some of the 5 dimensions of control the Seaboard offers. Liftoff is one I know people struggle with, and a lot just disable it. So then you’re left with 4. The one kick-ass thing a Seaboard has that the Osmose doesn’t is basically a per-note modwheel with the sensitivity to where on the key you’re pressing and the ability to move that to do filters and such. But at introductory price, the Osmose is $100 cheaper than a similarly sized Seaboard (and that is the size range I want to be in, no blocks or 25 keys for something like this).

And I like the way both look in different ways. The Seaboard is so slick and futuristic it almost hurts, but the Osmose is almost the opposite, it presents the keyboard floating on top of the instrument, which sits underneath it out of the way, trying really hard to make you think its just a fancy keyboard.

I thought the Osmose has Y-sensitivity, too? That’s pretty standard for anything calling itself MPE controller.

Also, maybe check out the KMI k-board 4 (no integrated synth but classical keyboard layout and cheaper IIRC).

I was curious as to what MPE+ is, seems to be all about highest precision attack stages evar. Very detailed info about how Seaboard handles this versus the Continuum.

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Clear.

Pigments 2 now has MPE support.

Soooo, I’m thinking about maybe getting another MPE controller at some point. Partly for myself as something with a more traditional piano layout (beside the Linnstrument), but also for my son - right now he likes playing with the MPK Mini more than with the Linnstrument and I got him a Casio LK-S250 for his next b-day.

Right now the Osmose seems to be really nice and has an internal synth with that Eagan Matrix. I read some bad things about the synth usability (extremely strange to program, factory sounds boring) and the keys (getting stuck on their way back up when playing expressively).

@White_Noise IIRC you were an early adopter of the Osmose? How do you like it? Any info on it and how it compares with other controllers and synth you got or used before would be very helpful.

Also as a general question, what controller is everybody using these days?

Personally, I’m still mostly happy with the Linnstrument, but I sometimes think it would be nice to have a more traditional alternative and especially something that doubles as a synth…

Also, I hear good and bad things about the Seaboard which might be a cheaper alternative but only as a controller. Any long-term experiences and comparisons of that one maybe?

Maybe there is some other new expressive controller or synth on the market I haven’t heard about yet?

I don’t have enough time to play often, but I do still have my launch edition Osmose! Never had any issues with mine.

I don’t have any problems with the synth engine. Yes, you can’t edit the sounds on the Osmose much (you have a few macros). So in that sense, on the Osmose itself you treat it more like a Rompler. You can fully edit all the sounds with free software, but the synth is very complex under the hood. Just look up tutorials on the Eaganmatrix and you’ll see. That said, the next update is supposed to add a deeper edit mode in between the current macros and full Eaganmatrix psychosis.

I personally think there are a handful of really killer sounds on board (Anatolian Pad, Choir both stand out for me). Between the macros and playing style, you can get pretty drastic changes in the sound. In my setup I’m more often using it as a controller for other hardware synths, or layering the Osmose with them. FL Studio unfortunately still doesn’t have MPE implementation, so I haven’t been able to play around with software much.

I’m personally very happy I have this and not a Seaboard. The only thing I would consider replacing Osmose with is a Polybrute 12. I’d lose the side to side motion of the keys, but get a ribbon for continuous pitch expression and add a Morphee (which reminds me a lot of Touche, Expressive E ‘s other hardware product).

I’ve had a lot of other hardware synths (and one or two controllers) come and go in the time I’ve had Osmose and Moog One. Moog One is entirely old school (monophonic after touch, old school synth engine) and Osmose with a selection of digital/hybrid synths (UDO Super 6, Twisted Electrons Mega FM) make a great counterpoint to that.

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Thank you very much for all the info @White_Noise!

One more question about the Osmose with regard to its playability and expressivity: I read that it doesn’t have a traditional y-dimension, but instead a finer reception of pressure and aftertouch with two stages that is used for y-control? I can see pros and cons for that: the traditional y-dimension is nice, but it can be hard to play correctly, especially on a real keyboard I guess because of the different finger placement (in contrast to something like the Linnstrument). That might be good for an alternative since the full expressivity of the Linnstrument is sometimes a bit too much, depending on what exactly you want to do. Similar for the pitchbend, I sometimes really enjoy sliding fast over multiple notes, not sure how well that works with the Osmose. So, I guess the main question for me is: How does it compare to other MPE controllers in terms of playability and expressivbity? Do you miss something sometimes or is it (more than) enough?

Also, why are the keys so long? When I looked at it the first time I assumed the black part behind the actual keys is some form of sensitive part for pitchslides or y-control, but that doesn’t seem to be the case?

Polybrute looks interesting, too btw.! Wouldn’t get it instead of a MPE controller, but I think I can see the appeal :smiley:

On a general note, I also checked out KMI (I have a QuNeo which is a bit toy-ish but great, haven’t used it in a while but the Morphee reminded me of it since it can be used as a “morph field array”) - and sadly had to read that Keith MacMIllen passed away in 2024.

His company changed the name and discontinued some products. Sadly, now they don’t seem to offer the full K-Board Pro 4 that I was thinking about getting a few times anymore (and also the QuNeo)… Maybe time to get a boppad before that vanishes, too…

The black parts of the keys indeed don’t do anything different than the rest of the key, but you can play them differently.

First of all, they’re all the same height and length, so if you want to ignore conventional keyboard format and give equal weight to all notes, you can play up there. You can also gliss from one place to another, going through ALL notes at the same physical height. I like playing some of the percussion patches (Balafun is a good one) up there. I also find they’re less sensitive, since the keys pivot from the rear you end up playing very close to the pivot point. That can be a plus or a minus depending on the sound.

I haven’t played any other MPE surfaces for any significant time, so I can’t compare directly. What I can say is that for me, the Y control system on Osmose makes sense, and Polybrute is doing a similar thing under a different name. You have very fine control of the sound with any amount of pressure on the key. It takes time to get used to that. If you sit down to play this and you just push keys until you feel the bottom of the key for all the notes you’re pressing, then you are not going to get different Y values for each note. It is underwhelming when you play that way, and doesn’t really sound any different from a normal synth. You can still push into aftertouch for some notes at different amounts relatively easily (and it basically doubles the expressivity of the sound), but training your fingers to not just go straight to that switch point takes some time and is different to any keyboard you will have played. Even a seaboard is registering the same thing, but mapped in a different way.

For pitch bends, you have a few options since you are right that there is no way to continuosly bend pitch polyphonicaly. First, on a per patch basis, you can determine how far you want the X axis motion of the keys to be able to bend pitch - anywhere from a few cents to 96 semi-tones. You can also decide how sensitive you want the keys to be to initial position. At min, they will always start in key and then your motion will add or subtract from that. At max, they are sensitive enough that you will pretty much never end up in scale. It’s been a while, but I think you can also edit all the response curves for X, Y, and Z dimensions as well as normal velocity/AT (meaning you can send one value to the internal synth and another to an external synth if it’s just in Poly AT mode). But, as you lift all the keys will return to their original pitch so you are correct that this cannot function as a continuous slide from one chord to the next.

Personally, that hasn’t bothered me, but that is not something I’ve had access to before either.

The other setting you have access to on a per-patch basis is pressure glide. This lets you move a single pitch between two keys by varying the pressure between them. You can set the distance between which any two notes played will sound a single pitch and then by varying the pressure between those two notes you move the pitch freely. Not polyphonic by it’s nature (unless you can play 4 or 6 notes and precisely vary the pressure between pairs). But it is pretty flexible, in theory it is possible to play multiple notes at once and bend them independently. You can set the maximum distance between notes from one to 96 semi tones. At one semi tone it’s essentially a fine pitch. At 96 you’re playing more like a theremin or a mondes. But you can set any range in between. It will always limit your chord choices if you are trying to play polyphonically.

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Thank you so much for the detailed explanation!

It sounds really interesting. Looks like the Osmose is really well thought-through. I also see the advantages of some design decisions such as focusing everything on pressure instead of also using y position, since controlling both can be very difficult. If often happened to me that my recorded takes sounded really bad and I had to finetune things a lot because I didn’t control both correctly at the same time.

The difference in pitch-sliding sound interesting. With the Linnstrument I sometimes play melodies only with the pitch-sliding, so the recorded MIDI notes look like just a single note in the DAW, but I haven’t really done that with chords so far in any case. Sounds like fun to play around with the pressure glide.

Thanks again for taking the time! I will think about it some more and will definitely come back to this post! :folded_hands:

@metaside - I have a ROLI Seaboard Block M.

The thing that I found wild is how much the ROLI synths (Equator2, Cypher2, Strobe2), which presets sounded “meh” when used without MPE, came to life in a BIG way when used with the Seaboard. A day & night type thing.

About the Seaboard: it’s not easy to play. Maybe it’s all about calibrating the sensitivity right for your style of playing. Or just get used to playing it. When you get it right, it’s amazing what you can do with it.

With all that said, my Seaboard has mostly been collecting dust (well, its box, since the Seaboard is inside it) because fucking Image-Line does not give two shits about MPE or Midi 2.0. Buying and learning another DAW just to use the Seaboard is not something I’m interested in doing. So I’ll probably end up selling it. It sucks.

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Hey, thanks for sharing your experience @morphic!

Really sad to hear that you like MPE and your Seaboard but can’t use it because of the DAW. Aren’t there any ways around it? Not sure about the Seaboard, but in some MPE controllers, you can switch certain parts of the MPE information off which can increase compatibility. I sometimes use that if I don’t want to use certain aspects. You can also just use an MPE controller as an expressive monophonic controller.That’s not ideal, but better than just using “on/off switches” (as Linn calls traditional non-MPE controllers). I often play expressive melodies in a more or less monophonic way.

Also, IIRC IL is not working on MPE because they only want to support MIDI 2.0 at some point? Not sure about that, but in that case I think I would use something like the Intro version of another DAW like Bitwig just to record playing with MPE and then bounce it to audio and send it to your main DAW until Fruity can handle MPE. You don’t have to dive very deep into another DAW to record and export. Not a great solution, but better than to give up on MPE imho. Especially since it sounds to me like you don’t have any issues with the Seaboard, which is good to hear. Having to get used to it is completely normal imho, was (and often still is) the same for me with the Linnstrument - and I still often change settings depending on what I want to do, what patches I play and so on.

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Can some of those ROLI synths run standalone (ie outside the DAW)? At least for playing I’d be OK with that. I’m sure it’d be a clustherfuck to record, but I actually do that like once a year on my hardware, and it’s always a clusterfuck anyways.

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Yep. Problem is, they’re not starting work on Midi 2.0 either.

I did try that once or twice. Bit of a pain in the ass. Maybe I should try again.

Yep they do. Playing it that way is frustrating because you may come onto a great idea… that you can’t record.

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With some luck that might change soon:

Wed 18 Feb 2026 // 17:36 UTC

Microsoft has finally ushered in the era of MIDI 2.0 for Windows 11, more than a year after first teasing the functionality for Windows Insiders.

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Fingers crossed then!

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So I just got Equator 2 (the main MPE synth by ROLI) for cheap (2nd hand again) and just skipped through some presets while playing with my LinnStrument and I don’t get far because I really like all the patches… It’s not that the sounds are so great, but the MPE implementation of them is really AWESOME imho, just makes me happy to play around with them… So if someone has an MPE controller and is looking for a synth to play with it, I would say this Equator 2 is probably one of the best choices if it’s just about the MPE implementation and playing expressively. Other arguably better synths such as Serum 2 have good MPE implementation, too, but Equator has many presets that clearly focus on expressive playing…

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