# Challenge #4: dubstep without lfos? July 17th deadline **URL:** \ **Category:** Community Projects\ **Created:** [June 24, 2023, 1:19pm UTC](https://idmforums.com/t/challenge-4-dubstep-without-lfos-july-17th-deadline/6565 "2023-06-24T13:19:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![bfk](https://idmforums.com/user_avatar/idmforums.com/bfk/32/7101_2.png) [@bfk](https://idmforums.com/u/bfk)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 1:19pm UTC](https://idmforums.com/t/challenge-4-dubstep-without-lfos-july-17th-deadline/6565/1 "2023-06-24T13:19:53Z")
I guess being that relic is no longer with idmf…i guess when one challenge finishes another person can start another challenge…if they want or have an idea…for one So here is the challenge #4: dubstep without using lfos. Get creative with the bass… Dont use lfos…to wub… use envelopes and somewhat random filter automations as an alternative…to wub the bass It is possible because seamlessr and others do this…sometimes… Basically you can create a bunch of bass sequences and splice them together…to play in conjuction with a beat. Just post the track in this thread…when finished… Good luck. 🙂 Deadline julyish… ---
**Author:** ![KvlT](https://idmforums.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/a6a055/32.png) [@KvlT](https://idmforums.com/u/KvlT)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 1:33pm UTC](https://idmforums.com/t/challenge-4-dubstep-without-lfos-july-17th-deadline/6565/2 "2023-06-24T13:33:05Z")
Damn, this sounds like a good one. I’m in ---
**Author:** ![KvlT](https://idmforums.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/a6a055/32.png) [@KvlT](https://idmforums.com/u/KvlT)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 1:58pm UTC](https://idmforums.com/t/challenge-4-dubstep-without-lfos-july-17th-deadline/6565/3 "2023-06-24T13:58:41Z")
Also, Relic is gone? That sucks 😮 ---
**Author:** ![bfk](https://idmforums.com/user_avatar/idmforums.com/bfk/32/7101_2.png) [@bfk](https://idmforums.com/u/bfk)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 2:02pm UTC](https://idmforums.com/t/challenge-4-dubstep-without-lfos-july-17th-deadline/6565/4 "2023-06-24T14:02:13Z")
Hes not gone gone…but he has real life stuff going on…life changes…i wish him the best, hope he pops once in a blue moon to say hes alive and is ok. But yeah he will be a lot less active on the forum…though ---
**Author:** ![White\_Noise](https://idmforums.com/user_avatar/idmforums.com/white_noise/32/2082_2.png) [@White\_Noise](https://idmforums.com/u/White_Noise)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 4:26pm UTC](https://idmforums.com/t/challenge-4-dubstep-without-lfos-july-17th-deadline/6565/5 "2023-06-24T16:26:00Z")
Easy, I’m just gonna do pre-skrillex dub. ---
**Author:** ![bfk](https://idmforums.com/user_avatar/idmforums.com/bfk/32/7101_2.png) [@bfk](https://idmforums.com/u/bfk)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 8:43pm UTC](https://idmforums.com/t/challenge-4-dubstep-without-lfos-july-17th-deadline/6565/6 "2023-06-24T20:43:39Z")
here is my track cheers. https://w.soundcloud.com/player/?visual=false&url=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.soundcloud.com%2Ftracks%2F1549115329&show_artwork=true&maxheight=166 ---
**Author:** ![bfk](https://idmforums.com/user_avatar/idmforums.com/bfk/32/7101_2.png) [@bfk](https://idmforums.com/u/bfk)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2023, 3:16pm UTC](https://idmforums.com/t/challenge-4-dubstep-without-lfos-july-17th-deadline/6565/7 "2023-06-25T15:16:47Z")
Hows july 17th for deadline? ---
**Author:** ![7asid](https://idmforums.com/user_avatar/idmforums.com/7asid/32/87_2.png) [@7asid](https://idmforums.com/u/7asid)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2023, 6:50am UTC](https://idmforums.com/t/challenge-4-dubstep-without-lfos-july-17th-deadline/6565/8 "2023-06-26T06:50:40Z")
haha what about an arppegiator? ---
**Author:** ![bfk](https://idmforums.com/user_avatar/idmforums.com/bfk/32/7101_2.png) [@bfk](https://idmforums.com/u/bfk)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2023, 8:13am UTC](https://idmforums.com/t/challenge-4-dubstep-without-lfos-july-17th-deadline/6565/9 "2023-06-26T08:13:24Z")
If you could pull it off…go for it. ---
**Author:** ![KvlT](https://idmforums.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/a6a055/32.png) [@KvlT](https://idmforums.com/u/KvlT)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2023, 1:46pm UTC](https://idmforums.com/t/challenge-4-dubstep-without-lfos-july-17th-deadline/6565/10 "2023-06-26T13:46:56Z")
Keytracking and arping is a seriously good idea, especially if you can disengage the pitch from the actual notes. I was thinking of some cool workarounds for this as well: - Step sequencer modulation with (or without) slew limiting - MSEG (especially if it loops, it’s basically an LFO) - Using a HFO / VCO (if they’re allowed, maybe that’s cheating) - Clocked and synced envelope generator or function generator - Slew-limited S&H (random, but potentially wubby) - Slew MIDI notes, where MIDI has no effect on the actual pitch but simply modulates instead (keytrack) - Synced delay line of multiple EGs, FGs or MSEGs that trigger in a round-robin sequence - Envelope follow anything, even internet radio could work (PB’s Radio plugin is hilarious for this) - Clocked EG triggers where every _other_ envelope is inverted (heh, makeshift LFO?) - Record a DC source which you move around by hand I know most of these are modular, but most DAWs have modular capabilities now as well. Ableton, Bitwig and probably even FL Studio could handle all of these (and if not, there’s Cardinal!) https://www.youtube.com/embed/YDyVmlwcHVw?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque Basic idea with the sequencer example. It’s basically just an LFO now ---
**Author:** ![White\_Noise](https://idmforums.com/user_avatar/idmforums.com/white_noise/32/2082_2.png) [@White\_Noise](https://idmforums.com/u/White_Noise)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2023, 2:34pm UTC](https://idmforums.com/t/challenge-4-dubstep-without-lfos-july-17th-deadline/6565/11 "2023-06-26T14:34:57Z")
Just reese bass and done. Let the detune of oscillators do the work for you. ---
**Author:** ![bfk](https://idmforums.com/user_avatar/idmforums.com/bfk/32/7101_2.png) [@bfk](https://idmforums.com/u/bfk)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2023, 4:56pm UTC](https://idmforums.com/t/challenge-4-dubstep-without-lfos-july-17th-deadline/6565/12 "2023-06-26T16:56:28Z")
I sidechained the bass to the kick and snare then I automated the adsr of the limiters sidechain…then filter and volume automations with fls love philtet then after that i automated switching between gross beat sequences and then eq and another limiter to control unwanted peaks. And xy mapping to switch between bass patches within a patch and of course phase modulation and fm modulation with some envelope sequences controlling volume and filter parameters within sytrus… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![bfk](https://idmforums.com/user_avatar/idmforums.com/bfk/32/7101_2.png) [@bfk](https://idmforums.com/u/bfk)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2023, 8:14pm UTC](https://idmforums.com/t/challenge-4-dubstep-without-lfos-july-17th-deadline/6565/13 "2023-07-11T20:14:48Z")
6 days left… ---
**Author:** ![bfk](https://idmforums.com/user_avatar/idmforums.com/bfk/32/7101_2.png) [@bfk](https://idmforums.com/u/bfk)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2023, 8:16pm UTC](https://idmforums.com/t/challenge-4-dubstep-without-lfos-july-17th-deadline/6565/14 "2023-07-11T20:16:18Z")
Combine the arpeggiation with modulating the adsr of the envelope. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Noise](https://idmforums.com/user_avatar/idmforums.com/white_noise/32/2082_2.png) [@White\_Noise](https://idmforums.com/u/White_Noise)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2023, 11:05pm UTC](https://idmforums.com/t/challenge-4-dubstep-without-lfos-july-17th-deadline/6565/15 "2023-07-11T23:05:24Z")
Mine is going to be a bit short, but it’s starting to come together. Less of a song and more of just a drop. ---
**Author:** ![bfk](https://idmforums.com/user_avatar/idmforums.com/bfk/32/7101_2.png) [@bfk](https://idmforums.com/u/bfk)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2023, 8:10pm UTC](https://idmforums.com/t/challenge-4-dubstep-without-lfos-july-17th-deadline/6565/16 "2023-07-12T20:10:48Z")
5 days left. ---
**Author:** ![7asid](https://idmforums.com/user_avatar/idmforums.com/7asid/32/87_2.png) [@7asid](https://idmforums.com/u/7asid)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 5:39am UTC](https://idmforums.com/t/challenge-4-dubstep-without-lfos-july-17th-deadline/6565/17 "2023-07-13T05:39:22Z")
man i’ve been struggling to find many dubstep tunes to inspire me. i’ve been looking for more minimalist, straighforward kinda vibe, i guess i’m still stuck in the techno mindset. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Noise](https://idmforums.com/user_avatar/idmforums.com/white_noise/32/2082_2.png) [@White\_Noise](https://idmforums.com/u/White_Noise)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 6:33am UTC](https://idmforums.com/t/challenge-4-dubstep-without-lfos-july-17th-deadline/6565/18 "2023-07-13T06:33:02Z")
I don’t think any of us are gonna call you out if the steps aren’t dub enough. That drop I’ve been working on? I’d give it about a 2/10. There’s no airhorn, no bass voice introducing the drop, not even a good drum fill, I’m just slapping distortion on everything and ducking it to the kick and I’m gonna hope for the best. It’s rendering now, going to see if any issues I wasn’t aware of jump out at me and give it the quickest of masters and get it up in the next day or two. ---
**Author:** ![7asid](https://idmforums.com/user_avatar/idmforums.com/7asid/32/87_2.png) [@7asid](https://idmforums.com/u/7asid)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 6:55am UTC](https://idmforums.com/t/challenge-4-dubstep-without-lfos-july-17th-deadline/6565/19 "2023-07-13T06:55:11Z")
ah yeah, that wasn’t my worry. i have a decent idea what i wanna do and it will likely stray a little bit from the classic sound, i just wasn’t finding good inspiration fodder to listen to in that vein. I’ve been listening to a bit of this dude though: https://bandcamp.com/EmbeddedPlayer/v=2/track=2044277811/size=large/tracklist=false/artwork=small/ ---
**Author:** ![st3aLth](https://idmforums.com/user_avatar/idmforums.com/st3alth/32/10678_2.png) [@st3aLth](https://idmforums.com/u/st3aLth)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 3:02pm UTC](https://idmforums.com/t/challenge-4-dubstep-without-lfos-july-17th-deadline/6565/20 "2023-07-13T15:02:43Z")
Yo this song sounds like cold lemonade on a hot summer day [Next page](https://idmforums.com/t/challenge-4-dubstep-without-lfos-july-17th-deadline/6565.md?page=2)