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Old 12-10-2017, 03:04 AM   #1
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Constraints in music making to push creativity

We all run into walls when making music. And sometimes it's taking options away from your music that may help you push forward. So I thought maybe I can discuss one of many ways of getting past these "blocks". This video talks about setting up "constraints" on your music. Hope this helps! I know this is an issue for everyone every now and again.

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Old 16-10-2017, 04:48 PM   #2
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Re: Constraints in music making to push creativity

Whenever I'm not moving forward I delete the whole project and move on to the next. Whenever I'm not moving forward with a certain element or track I delete that and move on to try something new. It's pretty ruthless and and when working with others they stop me a lot and we still get something done in the end.

Since I starting doing that I finished about 200+ songs in 2 years. In the end I don't like 50% of those but it's still a lot of finished stuff compared to when I was getting stuck for days and weeks on a single loop.
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Old 16-10-2017, 04:49 PM   #3
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Re: Constraints in music making to push creativity

I chopped my own hands off.
It's pretty constraining, but very inspirational.
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Old 16-10-2017, 04:51 PM   #4
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Re: Constraints in music making to push creativity

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I chopped my own hands off.
It's pretty constraining, but very inspirational.
Are you not getting overwhelmed with all the things you can do with your feet?
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Old 16-10-2017, 04:53 PM   #5
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No, I chopped them off years ago to improve my chances of a unique footballing career.
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Old 16-10-2017, 07:14 PM   #6
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Re: Constraints in music making to push creativity

Thats the best thing about art.. learning and understanding how to overcome those "barriers" ..
Each one of us has different barriers i think , cuz its a personal thing.
Some use drugs , some listen to music , some look at art or nature , some masturbate and so on..
I do all those things at once.

I like these topics tho
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Old 16-10-2017, 07:35 PM   #7
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No, I chopped them off years ago to improve my chances of a unique footballing career.
i chopped my cock off because i wanted an illustrius career in the porn indestry.
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Old 16-10-2017, 11:03 PM   #8
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Re: Constraints in music making to push creativity

For a while now I've tried to engineer the right amount of constraints in the way I make music to allow me to focus in on some sort of style or sound or direction

It's been a long journey of 'i want constraints but not that much'

What I actually want is ableton and some ideas. I guess that's what you're getting at kind of.

Or I want the electribe I got at 18 but where it actually sounds good.

The effect you're talking about will inly last so long. Then after a while you open up a computer and the freedom and speed of it will have you cranking out all sorts of great tunes too. For me its always been about moving at the right time, even if its just changing how you use your existing equipment after doing it a certain way for a while.

It's actually, weirdly, exactly the same for me when I used to play call of duty. I used get a certain gun or gun combo and fucking kill everything that moved for a certain period of time. After a while i would be less effective with it. At that point I can basically choose any other gun and suddenly im loving the shit out of a gun I never really liked before. Nobody else played like that that I knew but to be fair I used to just run around not caring and had more fun

A really sad story there

The moral is be inspired and have great ideas and none of it really matters that much just keep moving or more accurately dont stay in the same place too long... If there's a difference. It's also why when I did the hip hop thing id pretty mich always alternate between sample based projects and synth projects it was great.

Somebody give me some ideas. Cheers

P.s. I made an album in like two weeks once it was actually decent

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Old 17-10-2017, 12:48 AM   #9
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No, I chopped them off years ago to improve my chances of a unique footballing career.
As the ball itself?

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Old 17-10-2017, 08:20 PM   #10
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Re: Constraints in music making to push creativity

1) try to limit the amount of time spent on the internet
2) don't upload tunes to the internet and ask for feedback; just make good tunes, study them, improve them, and archive them
3) set aside some time every week for studying the present and future trends in music composition and digital audio
4) don't have kids

these might not seem like limitations, until you consider that no matter what you do, if you don't budget your time, it's time lost. essentially there's always a tradeoff; some kind of constraint is already there anyhow

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Old 19-10-2017, 04:42 AM   #11
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Old 22-10-2017, 04:15 AM   #12
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Re: Constraints in music making to push creativity

This is part of the reason I want to go back to old hardware synths. When I think about my output now with FL Studio and a gang of plugins, versus my hardware rig at various stages, I gotta say the hardware's limitations pushed me to be more creative in the way I made music. With goo gobs of plugins it's easy to get overwhelmed with choices. Limiting yourself to hardware forces you to work within the constraints of that particular piece and having to augment it with another piece of hardware when you've exhausted all other options.
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Old 22-10-2017, 04:46 AM   #13
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Re: Constraints in music making to push creativity

Totally agree that limitations are a good thing. The limitations often force you to find unique workarounds to accomplish what you are going for. For me this has always had unique and interesting results, whereas if I had been able to instantly access what I wanted it would not have been anywhere near as good.

Case and point being starting looping on tape echos or long delay lines. That forced an entire way of thinking on me that I would not have seeked out had I had the god awful current batch of hardware loopers when I started.
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Re: Constraints in music making to push creativity

I find watching and listening to completely different genre that I would normally prefer. That pushes my boundaries a bit, so next time when I start up my DAW, I feel fresh, and being able to judge my music a bit better.
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Old 28-01-2018, 08:00 PM   #15
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Re: Constraints in music making to push creativity

Huh, I don't have time to watch the video, but what I typically do is limit my instrument selection. So I might say drums have to be a standard 909, bass needs to be a 303, chords will be supersaw and stabs will be a rhodes (or vice versa). I leave myself more freedom with the lead. Do enough songs with the same limitations and you have yourself an album!

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Re: Constraints in music making to push creativity

With the release of Logic X 10.4 not being supported on older Macs rather than doing all the workarounds I've decided to jump ship to Ableton live which I'm pretty gutted about as I've used Logic for the past 10 years.

Ive not used Live for 13 years the last version i owned was version 5 which i bought in 2005,
So on the subject of Constraints I've decided to get rid of hundreds of plugins that have swamped my Audio units folder for the last decade.
Ive decided to keep my Soundtoys, softube, Valhalla and UAD fx, instrument wise Im keeping my Spectrasonic, U-He and a few NI synths and the rest I'm simply deleting, combining these with the included Live plugins ill feel a lot less cluttered more focused and the fact i'm using a new DAW i feel is really going to change all my lazy bad habits.
Gone will be all my "GO TO" workflow which will be a breath of fresh air.

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Old 29-01-2018, 06:12 AM   #17
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Re: Constraints in music making to push creativity

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I chopped my own hands off.
It's how the original junglists chanced upon time stretching.

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Re: Constraints in music making to push creativity

I cut my own head off to occupy a unique space in the "living person" category of artistry.

Serious note, I've experimented with working on one mono monitor, but I have yet to finish any of those tracks. Working in true mono is a really cool way to practice fitting elements into a mix because of how much smaller of a space you leave yourself with (you can also tackle the challenges of pan law). You can also eliminate any possibility of phase issues this way just by hearing how a stereo source is summed down and tweaking to taste.

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Using the instruments I have on hand (guitar, bass, drum kit) seems limiting enough for me. I guess I could consider amputation, if it'll enhance my creative flow and everything!

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Re: Constraints in music making to push creativity

a lot of great ideas which I have used through out the years in here. The one that has made the biggest effect on my life is. Ask others to hold you accountable I have not tried this in my hobby (music production) but once I started applying this to my professional development I grow at an alarming rate. Professionally I had found a couple mentors who had made the developments I wanted to make. I would ask them for advice hoping that would improve my work life. After I read some where to Ask others to hold you accountable I tried it out. Every time someone would give me advice I would say that I would try it out and ask them to hold me accountable the next time we spoke. this would force me to actively change the way I conducted my self and the way I thought, I would be able to report back my experience the next time I spoke to my mentors. It really pushed me to not by into my own bullshit and not make excuses for my self. Anyway Try this! in any part of your life you want to improve and find good mentors.

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