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Old 23-11-2010, 10:56 PM   #1
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Best kick drum vst?

I'm looking to start layering my kicks, to get a fatter sound.

From bits of research I've found that the 'sweet spot' seems to be around 40-50hz (correct me if i'm wrong please)

I've already got a few vengeance sample packs and love them, but the kicks just aren't punchy enough.

Anyway, the main question is, what is the best kick drum creation vst that will allow me full control over things like frequency range and attack rate etc?

Free ones would be preferable, but I don't mind looking into a paid one if the quality is substantially better.

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Old 23-11-2010, 11:33 PM   #2
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Re: Best kick drum vst?

Off the top of my head I would say pick up a copy of Computer Music Magazine and take a look at the free offerings in the bundled DVD
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Old 23-11-2010, 11:38 PM   #3
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Re: Best kick drum vst?

I like BassIZM for its simplicity and foundational sine sound (although you could do this with any synth with sine, pitch envelope, amplitude envelope and ADSR). Then there is layering with real drums and further processing (filters, EQ, compressors, gates, expanders).

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Old 23-11-2010, 11:58 PM   #4
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Re: Best kick drum vst?

I'm after layering a big bass punch with a real kick sound that I'm already using
Is it a better idea to use a kick generator, or to layer it with another kick sample as you mentioned?
Also, how would you go about this?
My best guess would be to just EQ the bottom end out of the one and the top end out of the other, and then compress?

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Old 24-11-2010, 12:09 AM   #5
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Re: Best kick drum vst?

There are many ways to do this. You can even use highpass to filter out all the lows in the acoustically recorded kick. I'm sure there are as many ways to process the layers as there are producers. Experiment.

To make it basic, you can devide the kick into three bands - subs/lows, mid body punch and high transient/click. Then you can layer in the X-axis (transient, reflection and tail). You can add a nice tail and use a bit of attack time (adsr) on it to fade it in while the transient and punch rings out. it can make a kick really rich sonically.
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Old 24-11-2010, 02:21 AM   #6
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Re: Best kick drum vst?

Thanks for the helpful tips man

I know it's off topic but I notice your profile says you use buzz and cubase?
Just wondering what you use buzz for?
Seems like an interesting piece of software

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Re: Best kick drum vst?

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Thanks for the helpful tips man

I know it's off topic but I notice your profile says you use buzz and cubase?
Just wondering what you use buzz for?
Seems like an interesting piece of software
For making sounds, noise and music. It's modular heaven, and it's free.
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Old 24-11-2010, 02:29 AM   #8
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Re: Best kick drum vst?

Does it rewire into cubase?

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Old 24-11-2010, 02:32 AM   #9
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Does it rewire into cubase?
No, basically. Instead I just render out the individual tracks and busses as WAV and import them into Cubase.
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Re: Best kick drum vst?

I'm definitely going to download it and give it a bash tomorrow
I love having new toys XD

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Old 24-11-2010, 02:59 AM   #11
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Re: Best kick drum vst?

Ok. Cool. It's a bit of a bitch in the beginning, but install these (in the right order):
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. Unzip Zip and extract the generators into the generators folder, and effects into the effects folder (in the C:/.../Buzz/gear root folder)
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to load your VSTs.

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Old 24-11-2010, 03:05 AM   #12
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Re: Best kick drum vst?

Ah, thanks for the link on the latest Polac VST loader. I downloaded the one from Buzzmachines but Buzz kept complaining that it wasn't new enough. I hadn't searched elsewhere for it yet since my focus got occupied by other things.

@OP: I recently started a thread about my friend's kick drum vst:
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Old 24-11-2010, 03:11 AM   #13
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Re: Best kick drum vst?

Yeah, some Buzz stuff is all around the internet in a mess. For a "total Buzz beginner" it must be a pain in the assholes.
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(with alot of info on how to use it with VSTs), and here is his [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click here to register]
. The betas work great.

Edit: Oh, and if you have ANY questions about Buzz I'd be happy to answer.
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Re: Best kick drum vst?

thanks for the install guide evelon. very concise

@Jakob: this vst looks pretty good
on the download now
i'll post up some feedback on your thread once i've had a play

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Re: Best kick drum vst?

I use soundforge to make the base patch from pure sine, then stack with other layers either specially designed or with overtones from natural kick samples. Then given a slight offshift. Then it is sent through a mild fx chain (such as reverb=>boost low end=>compression=>reduce low end=>cut muddy eq ranges) always leaving enough headroom so that you dont distort during the boosting.

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Old 26-11-2010, 01:24 AM   #16
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I use soundforge to make the base patch from pure sine, then stack with other layers either specially designed or with overtones from natural kick samples. Then given a slight offshift. Then it is sent through a mild fx chain (such as reverb=>boost low end=>compression=>reduce low end=>cut muddy eq ranges) always leaving enough headroom so that you dont distort during the boosting.
This is pretty much exactly what I've been trying.
Sadly I mix down on earphones so low frequencies aren't that easy
I've got access to a good studio though so hopefully can get a better whack at it there

Up until now i've tried taking a single hit acoustic kick sample, and making a deep sine wave hit and lowpassing that to about 40-50hz. Then highpassing the kick sample to just above 50.
Put through same channel, compress, EQ and that's it really.
Havent tried the offshift or reverb though
I'll definitely give that a shoot

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Old 26-11-2010, 11:00 AM   #17
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Re: Best kick drum vst?

Been using Drummax for most of my latest outputs... I just love the way you can design percussive elements, and especially the kicks !!
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Old 26-11-2010, 03:04 PM   #18
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Been using Drummax for most of my latest outputs... I just love the way you can design percussive elements, and especially the kicks !!
Hmm Drummax looks pretty good actually. Does it work outside FL Studio though?

EDIT: Found out it comes in VSTi 2.4 so I'm definitely going to try the demo

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Re: Best kick drum vst?

i tried angular momentum's kicklab and liked it. its free too.

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but i still layer samples over what i make with it.


tip. dont forget the higher frequencies of the kick. that is where a lot of the punch really comes from. i usually sweep a boost around the spectrum to hear where the kicks punch lays.

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Re: Best kick drum vst?

For MIDI controller pads and layering of drum sounds, try Poise VSTi.

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Sampled drums are the best to me, because they can be really diverse yet each hit can sound perfect.

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