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Old 05-09-2016, 11:57 PM   #1
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Transitions are my weakpoint.

So i always get this annoying problem... I try to have 2 parts for the main section of a song. So it drops, goes for a few phrases, then changes up into something a bit different. My problem is I always have a hard time changing the mood from the first part to the second part... I dunno if it's just the transitions, or the first part just not sounding right with the second half? Example is posted below!

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The part from 24 seconds to 33 seconds is the switch I'm talking about.

I think maybe because the second half is a bit more orchestral sounding? But if it's all in key, shouldn't it not matter? I think the pitch bends may have made my second bassline kind of out of key or something too, but I'm not sure. Whenever i pit bend in ableton it always messed up all my midi for some reason... super annoying.

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Old 06-09-2016, 01:15 AM   #2
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Re: Transitions are my weakpoint.

I dunno, if you get good at transitions your tracks will then be too cool and soundcloud would implode!

Kidding aside, that actually seemed to work, not sure what else you want. You could try bringing in a few notes of the next part on the last bar of the first part perhaps.

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Old 06-09-2016, 01:22 AM   #3
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Re: Transitions are my weakpoint.

I'm starting to think maybe the bass in the second part is more powerful than the first one? ahaha. I dunno, something sound off to me.

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Old 06-09-2016, 05:36 PM   #4
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Re: Transitions are my weakpoint.

Transitions are always tough! I think we all tend to over think them as listeners, but when you hear other peoples music the transitions seem to seamless even if they are just abrupt changes. I dig the switch in your song. Lol, I personally think you should just keep it and move on
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Old 06-09-2016, 10:22 PM   #5
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Re: Transitions are my weakpoint.

Timbre is as important as harmony. Just because its all in key doesnt mean itll automatically sound OK. And even if it id all in key doesnt mean you made a good song writing choice.

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Old 06-09-2016, 10:23 PM   #6
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Re: Transitions are my weakpoint.

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Transitions are always tough! I think we all tend to over think them as listeners, but when you hear other peoples music the transitions seem to seamless even if they are just abrupt changes. I dig the switch in your song. Lol, I personally think you should just keep it and move on

Yeah, you're probably right dude. I'm sure the million things you can find with your own stuff, others don't even notice it. I can't just move on though, that's my problem haha. I have to fiddle and fiddle until something sounds better to me. I just hate when you can't figure out what it is haha.

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Old 09-09-2016, 05:15 PM   #7
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Re: Transitions are my weakpoint.

I wanted to get better at my guitar picking. Was telling a buddy.. "Trying to figure out how to get a lot faster at picking." My bud says "why don't you just practice picking?"

So I practiced picking a whole fucking lot. Now I am a very fast picker.


You'll get further just working on it a whole lot rather than thinking about it.
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Old 12-09-2016, 01:17 AM   #8
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Re: Transitions are my weakpoint.

Listen to a variety of different genres and songs, get a notepad and write down notes about the transitions you hear in a bunch of songs. Use this knowledge combined with a lot of practice and you'll eventually get the hang of it.

Just know that there are many things that can work depending on the song and genre. Could be white noise sweeps, adding octave / harmony notes / reversing part of a section, or adding more purple. Y'know?

Also I see you're in Vancouver too. Maybe shoot me a PM some time. I need to get back to making music!

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Re: Transitions are my weakpoint.

I think I'm rather good at transitions, which had caused me to over use them I think..

I'm at work so I didn't get a chance to listen to your example.

However a few things that I do.

1. Try and bring some of the previous section into the beginning of the next using delays/reverb/echo/etc...
2. If your introducing a new element try fading that in before the change.
3. If your introducing a new element try having it show up in the previous section in a effected manner, such as lower volume, washed out with reverb as an ambient element, etc..
4. Use a extreme break such as drop out all current elements prior to the change, allowing the listener to disjoint themselves from the previous section
5.choose the dominate element in previous section and use effects/eq to cause it to become either a major focal point or disjointed from the rest of the track to cause the listener to be distracted before the change
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Re: Transitions are my weakpoint.

Make space. That's pretty much it. When you make space, you can choose how something ends and the next begins. I'm also talking about music.

(I'm pre-coffee and very Yoda atm, but its still true).

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Re: Transitions are my weakpoint.

^ not sure you even need to drink coffee then.

This is good advice.

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Re: Transitions are my weakpoint.

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So i always get this annoying problem... I try to have 2 parts for the main section of a song. So it drops, goes for a few phrases, then changes up into something a bit different. My problem is I always have a hard time changing the mood from the first part to the second part... I dunno if it's just the transitions, or the first part just not sounding right with the second half? Example is posted below!

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The part from 24 seconds to 33 seconds is the switch I'm talking about.

I think maybe because the second half is a bit more orchestral sounding? But if it's all in key, shouldn't it not matter? I think the pitch bends may have made my second bassline kind of out of key or something too, but I'm not sure. Whenever i pit bend in ableton it always messed up all my midi for some reason... super annoying.
Maybe just take a measure, put some random crap in, forget about it? That's what I'd do.

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