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Old 03-03-2016, 08:29 AM   #1
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Mastering and getting bigger BASS!!

Ok, I'm really happy with my mixes and over all mastering accept for ONE THING. I just can't get a good low heavy sound to my productions! I cut out a lot of low end out of sounds that don't require it, leaving me a lot of room to boost kick drum and bass lows, but yet I feel like I'm just not getting that heavy set sound that I want. My eq and side chaining is really cleaned up well, but yet that bass just doesn't hit the way I want.

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Old 03-03-2016, 11:58 AM   #2
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Re: Mastering and getting bigger BASS!!

Do you have your low frequencies in mono? Having them at the centre of the stereo field can give them a lot more impact.

Basslane is a free plugin that can help you do that, but there are quite a few out there.

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Also giving the parts space to breathe in terms of composition as well as carving out frequencies can help.
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Old 03-03-2016, 02:00 PM   #3
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Re: Mastering and getting bigger BASS!!

Also a low-mid cut can make bass sound bassier, but yeah, try and have your low frequencies central.

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Re: Mastering and getting bigger BASS!!

1. Maximus. Boost those lows harder than everything else.

2. If you aren't already, a separate sub of just a sine or few harmonics can really help ground a track. My subs are barely audible on my system, but I can feel when they're there and when they aren't, makes a big difference for me.
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Re: Mastering and getting bigger BASS!!

When you are composing, use an actual bass instrument. Don't just rely upon the kick drum. And if you use various kick drum samples, delete all of them that aren't 100% deep and decent.

And actually you might want to do less high pass filtering, since that detracts from the complete fullness of sounds. When waveforms add together, they don't compete 100% part of it is just natural blending and doesn't actually cause clipping. So if you do less high pass filtering, you are enabling those instruments to sound a bit fuller as an ensemble.

If your kick is really powerful and you are worried about detracting from it's power, instead of sidechaining, you should really look at your gain staging and overall levels and use a limiter on the master instead and compress individual channels if needed or shape their transients.

Muscial sounds are meant to mix togther not play musical chairs

Aside from that, never overlook the power of a sinewave bass instrument. Sinewaves sound really bassy when played at low pitches. You really can't get more powerful than that if you need it.

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Old 04-03-2016, 12:53 AM   #6
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Re: Mastering and getting bigger BASS!!

Whatever you are doing it is still a mix issue, not mastering. Are coming to this conclusion comparing your tracks to any refernces or do you just not get bass on your monitors/headphones?

Also, try gentle curves instead of steep curves when rolling off lows. I used to use almost 90 degree shelves, now I use a MUCH more gentle shelf and I'm loving the results. I also agree that extreme roll offs detract from over all "fullness".

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Old 04-03-2016, 10:49 AM   #7
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Re: Mastering and getting bigger BASS!!

Sometimes getting a bass to sound "big" or "full" isn't just about the lower frequencies. If you add in a touch of some higher frequency harmonies, the bass sound can become more audible in the mix and appear "bigger". This depends a lot on the genre/what kind of bass sound you are using, but it works very well with 808 kicks, etc.
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Old 04-03-2016, 09:39 PM   #8
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Re: Mastering and getting bigger BASS!!

You can always try a multiband compressor. Slam the lows without making your top end pump.

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Re: Mastering and getting bigger BASS!!

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Whatever you are doing it is still a mix issue, not mastering. Are coming to this conclusion comparing your tracks to any refernces or do you just not get bass on your monitors/headphones?

Also, try gentle curves instead of steep curves when rolling off lows. I used to use almost 90 degree shelves, now I use a MUCH more gentle shelf and I'm loving the results. I also agree that extreme roll offs detract from over all "fullness".
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To generalize, remove as little frequency content as possible.
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Re: Mastering and getting bigger BASS!!

If you're talking about subbase, I often add some to my kicks seperately via BassDrum+Reverb on full stereo but very low volume and everything above like 60 Hz EQ'd out. You could also add a low pitch Synth seperately to your melody or sth.

Other than that, tons of bass can also come from your various synths, maybe you cut out a little too much low-end frequencies there.
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Old 09-05-2016, 01:44 PM   #11
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Re: Mastering and getting bigger BASS!!

Not sure if you're doing this, but one thing that is helpful is to drop a reference track into your DAW and run it through a spectrum analyzer. Look at where the sub levels are hitting. As I was, you might be surprised to see that the sub levels in your reference track are hitting at a lower value than in your own track, yet sound louder and more full. You see, bass loudness is partly a psychoacoustic perception thing. I noticed in my own instance, that this track had higher midrange levels than my track, and as a result the track as a whole sounded louder. Which in turn made the bass sound louder. It's all about contrast. So if your midrange is deficient than having a super subby low end isn't going to seem as low and deep as you want. This may not be your case at all and the other suggestions here are totally valid. Just thought I'd touch on this.

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Re: Mastering and getting bigger BASS!!

This is not a solution, just a tip. Once you've got some real low end, you can tame it and control it easily by using saturation. You will simultaneously control its timbre and its dynamic range. Helps in mixing.

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Why doesn't anyone mention chorus?
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Re: Mastering and getting bigger BASS!!

Harmonics. Cut your mids out and hipass at a point where it's not going to be interfering with the kick drum. I would do one good +1-3 dB boost around 80hz, look for the bump on a spectrum analyzer to see exactly where that sweet spot frequency is riding and boost it a bit. Staged compression works wonders. Two/three compressors only taking 1-3 dBs off, slow attack slow release to really make it smooth out the low end effectively.

Split your bass up into lows/mids/highs and process them differently. fuck the mids. hah. I usually just cut the shit out of 250-600hz like around 8-10dBs, big reverse bell. Really helps your midranged instruments take over that area.
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Re: Mastering and getting bigger BASS!!

I try to EQ as best as I can and then I run my kicks thru Mullholland distortion to really make them punchy. I'm by no means a pro (and this may be causing other sonic issues, I dunno, but I haven't heard had any problems myself), but this is just something I stumbled onto when playing around and it really gave me the kick I had been looking for.
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Harmonics. Cut your mids out and hipass at a point where it's not going to be interfering with the kick drum. I would do one good +1-3 dB boost around 80hz, look for the bump on a spectrum analyzer to see exactly where that sweet spot frequency is riding and boost it a bit. Staged compression works wonders. Two/three compressors only taking 1-3 dBs off, slow attack slow release to really make it smooth out the low end effectively.

Split your bass up into lows/mids/highs and process them differently. fuck the mids. hah. I usually just cut the shit out of 250-600hz like around 8-10dBs, big reverse bell. Really helps your midranged instruments take over that area.
Yeah, mud around 300 Hz can muddle things.

I also find that a touch of saturation and/or distortion can work well.

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Re: Mastering and getting bigger BASS!!

depends a lot on "genre" really in what you can get away with to make the bass better.

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