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Old 30-08-2017, 01:43 PM   #1
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Need some help in IDM drum programming

I used to write techno with ease but now that i'm getting more and more into idm, i can't seem to get the drum patterns right. I tried to chop up breaks didn't get anywhere. I tried to synthesize some drums in reaktor and lay down a fast paced drum track, a little bit like the newest vsnares album or some drukqs era aphex twin, but it just sounds like complete shit. I have tried looking up some tutorials but i still can't get idm style drums right. Anyone have any advice to give me?

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Old 30-08-2017, 06:09 PM   #2
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Re: Need some help in IDM drum programming

If you can be bothered learning a new DAW and a whole new way of writing music you may want to try using Renoise, which is used by Venetian Snares and Drukqs was largely made using tracker software.

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Old 30-08-2017, 06:24 PM   #3
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Re: Need some help in IDM drum programming

It might be worth your time to learn to program some classic breaks like the amen, apache, funky drummer etc so you get a feelfor breakbeats.

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Old 30-08-2017, 07:23 PM   #4
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Re: Need some help in IDM drum programming

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If you can be bothered learning a new DAW and a whole new way of writing music you may want to try using Renoise, which is used by Venetian Snares and Drukqs was largely made using tracker software.
Renoise is actually my main daw, been using it for about 6 months now.
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Old 30-08-2017, 08:43 PM   #5
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Re: Need some help in IDM drum programming

You might get a little further by posting an example after you've reached 30 posts, particularly in the LB. People on here are usually more than happy to help you pinpoint what it is you're lacking in / need to improve on. It also helps to be able to hear what you're talking about instead of imagining it.
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Old 30-08-2017, 09:30 PM   #6
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Re: Need some help in IDM drum programming

OP if you post an example I will embed the track for you. Just "thank" me here so I see it for sure. If I get my mod permissions in time for it to be relevant I will try to edit your OP and just add the example track.

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Old 05-09-2017, 12:14 AM   #7
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Re: Need some help in IDM drum programming

If I loose my way with complex drum programming, I sometimes return to lessons for acoustic drum set, like paradiddles or drop1-variations for example, just to remind myself what I'm doing and where it originally came from.
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Re: Need some help in IDM drum programming

Definitely something I'm learning at the moment too. The best way is to find good grooves with drum breaks and add some complexity to those, I find from what I have dabbled with so far.
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Old 11-11-2017, 11:51 AM   #9
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Re: Need some help in IDM drum programming

Cut up a long string of breaks on a 1/4 note level and trigger them out of sequence. Instant breakcore / IDM drums, best done in live on a drum rack with a launchpad when you're out of other ideas
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Re: Need some help in IDM drum programming

Make a drumline, bounce it to audio, take the file, loop it and absolutely destroy it with timestretching, delays, reverbs, you name it. Record that and slice out the individual hits you like to mix back in the with the original drumline.

Layer individual drum hits with foley sounds, noises, synth tones, vocals. Just anything to add variation to them. Basically what you want to avoid is to have the exact same drum sound hitting in a row. A plugin like Battery is brilliant for this, because it lets you lay out your basic patterns and then keep layering and iterating on them.

Just do extreme shit, make lots of different variations, use effects you're not supposed to use, kick mono-compatibility in the balls. Also, make music that 'works' without drums, then it doesn't matter how random or nonsensical you make them.
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Re: Need some help in IDM drum programming

most important thing is always keep progressing and recycling. usually having some theme that repeats and evolves and resolves is a solid formula that is very flexible, but it all depends what kind of end emotion you intend to express.

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Re: Need some help in IDM drum programming

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Definitely something I'm learning at the moment too. The best way is to find good grooves with drum breaks and add some complexity to those, I find from what I have dabbled with so far.
I think this is the heart of it.

Any good “idm” beat will have core elements that are simple, and then a bunch of cool fills/flourishes around it. Try to listen for what the main tones of the best are. Reduce it to kick snare and one hat. Write a cool longish pattern using only those sounds. Get it to where it already sounds good with just those. Then go back and work on one or two measure at a time adding lots of 16th and 32nd notes with those elements and others. Then add fx automation.

You can also bounce down multiple versions of things (do a take where the drums are tuned differently and run through different effects, or anything you can think of) and splice them alll together. Layer it with other drum kits/samples.

The possibilities are endless, but you will probably have to spend some time with it to get anywhere. I’d suggest just keep working on the same beat until you’re satisfied. It can take a while.
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I used to write techno with ease but now that i'm getting more and more into idm, i can't seem to get the drum patterns right. I tried to chop up breaks didn't get anywhere. I tried to synthesize some drums in reaktor and lay down a fast paced drum track, a little bit like the newest vsnares album or some drukqs era aphex twin, but it just sounds like complete shit. I have tried looking up some tutorials but i still can't get idm style drums right. Anyone have any advice to give me?
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Re: Need some help in IDM drum programming

HI,

I always favour to start with the one bar loop, put in your standard House kicks/hats/lap etc and from there start playing in some percussion and quantise or manually shift the notes on the grid to get your groove moving.
You can chop some audio loops to play under this to compliment



Check out Evilglamour.com for some great House/tech House/Techno MIDI loops just for Battery 4



They've got some seriously good patterns/grooves just using the preset Kits, ive learnt so much just from these pattens
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yea i feel like the "dare to be stupid" thing comes in to play hear. As well as the other stuffs. To experiment is to fail. I know the amen break was mentioned but i've never messed with it personally because i feel like my drum ability is a bit meh. But I do find layering different kits and building drums at different points of a project add a lot to my current projects.

And then after the midi portion is over, i definitely do chopping, stretching, repeating, etc. All trial and error. I always feel like the drums should be "good" before I start the mangle portion. But you can really stretch a 1 or 2 bar loop out with variation with audio mangling.

OHHHHH, and try to keep multiple tracks of your drums. You can bounce everything into one single audio file but you'll find it more limiting, at least i do.

edit - and i don't guess this is directly towards the OP since he hasn't posted in here since '17.

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Use non-drums rhythmically.

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