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Old 25-11-2015, 01:36 PM   #1
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Workflow making complextroish

Yeah you have any tips on workflow to make complextroish songs? I mean dubstep, electro whatever with loads of different bass stabs etc.

I know how to make the sounds but it takes me quite long to get them well. I have this vision of how I want it to sound in the end. And after maybe 1 or 2 hours I have the sound that is the first 2-4 seconds of the progression I intended. Then I gotta start all over making the next sound and so on. Even managing to make this I then have a build up in mind that again requires new design that goes into something more of a chorus (yet more design) which nets me incredibly many hours total working solely on sound design.

For me the process gets to tiresome, it blurs my vision of what I want the end result to be close to and I easily find myself to have a very hard time transitioning from sound design mode trying to make a few notes sound their best to composition mode trying to make the melodies as a whole carry the proper progression and melody.

How do you overcome this? Do you have any tips for working with such complex arrangements to maybe speed up the process or staying focused on how you want the end result to be like?

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Old 25-11-2015, 02:06 PM   #2
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Re: Workflow making complextroish

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Yeah you have any tips on workflow to make complextroish songs? I mean dubstep, electro whatever with loads of different bass stabs etc.

I know how to make the sounds but it takes me quite long to get them well. I have this vision of how I want it to sound in the end. And after maybe 1 or 2 hours I have the sound that is the first 2-4 seconds of the progression I intended. Then I gotta start all over making the next sound and so on. Even managing to make this I then have a build up in mind that again requires new design that goes into something more of a chorus (yet more design) which nets me incredibly many hours total working solely on sound design.

For me the process gets to tiresome, it blurs my vision of what I want the end result to be close to and I easily find myself to have a very hard time transitioning from sound design mode trying to make a few notes sound their best to composition mode trying to make the melodies as a whole carry the proper progression and melody.

How do you overcome this? Do you have any tips for working with such complex arrangements to maybe speed up the process or staying focused on how you want the end result to be like?
dead easy buss shit out seriously it may sound hard but it really isnt. just have your basses going to a bus and your synths going to a bus and limiter on each and put them both at the same level (the basses bus amnd the synth bus) and thats it. then just a dab of eq on each sound. side chain both busses to the kick or use a plugin like klickstart gross beat etc.

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Old 25-11-2015, 03:24 PM   #3
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Re: Workflow making complextroish

I actually temporarily gave up on trying to make complex tunes for the same reasons that Crude_beats gets tired.
But I find that it's an OK trade off for now because I focus on making tunes better in other ways than having fancy automation on an otherwise simplistic bassline or synth riff.

As usual, it seems like the more people focus on edits and sound design the less they work on harmony and tune structure. Of course this is a generalisation, but it's based in some truth somewhat.

But I still wish I had the patience to do more fancy automations AND do better chord modulations and harmonies.
I'm just not that good yet, and I get bored pretty easily.

I watched SeamlessR make brostep on a very long YouTube video and it's amazing how much of what he does is just random. SeamlessR does a lot of the complextro/brostep demos for Image-Line's FL Studio. So he's got some respect. But I don't want to make music exactly like him. And as it turns out, my laptop isn't powerful enough to do a whole lot of stuff within FL Studio. So I use Reaper instead.

I just don't know what the solution is for these mental hurdles.

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Old 25-11-2015, 03:42 PM   #4
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Re: Workflow making complextroish

The complextro-ish things I've done have been made with relatively "simple" riffs or basslines, but exporting/importing those individual notes as different sounds (different synths/presets/whatever). This process in a way is quite simple (yet time-consuming), but the end result sounds somewhat complex (perhaps hence the name).

A trick could be to export cool/weird sounds in different notes, as building-blocks, to a "sound library". And then just replace, re-pitch, stretch these to replace the original bassline, melody, call&response or whatever.

As a guitarist, complextro to me is like making rock-riffs but replacing individual chords/notes with more exotic synth sounds.

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Old 25-11-2015, 05:47 PM   #5
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Re: Workflow making complextroish

Can't multi quote on phone.

In response to nysta. Yeah i went over to reggae for same reason. You can get away with easy sound design and focus more on melody and rhythm. I wanna really challenge myself for an upcoming project though. Take all i learned and impress myself. I could make more random stuff and end upp with some decent complex stuff but I'm not after that. I have a chorus and everything figured out and it needs to progress just right. Boredom factor is my greatest enemy also.

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dead easy buss shit out seriously it may sound hard but it really isnt. just have your basses going to a bus and your synths going to a bus and limiter on each and put them both at the same level (the basses bus amnd the synth bus) and thats it. then just a dab of eq on each sound. side chain both busses to the kick or use a plugin like klickstart gross beat etc.
I do this but I'm not so much worried with the mix. Just sound design vs composition.

Yeah evelon. I guess I have to try change upp my work flow to a more clear composition mode and a later sound design mode. I normally don't work like that as I want to see it come together to get the motivation and vibes to continue. I understand progressions much better the last months so it should be easier working with "dummy" melody lines then it was for me before. I'm also more confident in pulling off the sound design given enough time.

Thinking about some rough vocal recording also to get down the ideas.

I have a couple hours today. See if I can nail a build upp into chorus at least. It will be the easiest parts for what I have in mind.
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Old 25-11-2015, 05:54 PM   #6
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Re: Workflow making complextroish

Stockpile all usable samples, presets you like, patches you've made and otherwise and bounce them to audio in one way or another. Adopt a fluid mindset about your sounds and always have your finger on the delete key. Chop, copy, paste, and repeat.

Basically, what Evelon said.
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Old 25-11-2015, 05:57 PM   #7
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Re: Workflow making complextroish

Also I've yet to find a good way to glide / pitch shift notes in ableton.

There is an unbuilt one but I have no idea what it measures the shift in? It goes up to some 5k or smth? How can I glide say a whole octave? Do I have to do it within a synth? That is real hassle setting glide for each note as a new synth patch... I miss fruity so much for this
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Old 25-11-2015, 06:42 PM   #8
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Re: Workflow making complextroish

just pick up one of the 17 million massive banks or sylenth banks.
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Old 25-11-2015, 10:40 PM   #9
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Re: Workflow making complextroish

Write out your chord / midi structure first, then copy individual notes to a new channel with a new synth, and make that sound. Copy again to keep adding variations whenever.

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Re: Workflow making complextroish

I know that some people bounce out literally everything they make for future use. I remember seeing some Noisia video where they scrolled through like 15 different versions of the same snare. Apart from that I think it's just about precisely knowing how to make the sound that's playing in your head so you don't end up spending 2hrs on making a single lead synth.
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Re: Workflow making complextroish

Just rwnder a bunch of stabs in your key, play them in random order, choose the best parts and use that. Sidechain your 4otf or your dogshitcatshit to that.

Alternatively, just pretend your stabs are percussion sounds and steal some afro-cuban rhythms.

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Old 29-11-2015, 10:29 PM   #12
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Re: Workflow making complextroish

Tom Cosm has a tutorial about this on Youtube. Skip to the end of part 2 to see the idea in action.

Basically create sin bassline -- then use the midi to generate some wacky bass sounds. Then layer the sin version with pieces of the other versions you generation. That probably is not clear, but I think it is precisely what you are looking for.



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Re: Workflow making complextroish

I have found some pretty cool tutorials about making this complextro/glitchy type music on youtube.

Those video tutorials up top are only using bass synths, he isnt using any stabs, chords or blips.
The kind of music I think the OP is after is stuff like whats in my signature.
I learned how to make this kind of stuff by watching these videos lol

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