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Old 20-10-2017, 12:58 PM   #21
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I can't stand all the people who load up on plug ins and are all like, "ahh I have SUPER EXTRA DELAY, and BIG EXPENSIVE FLANGE", then they don't even know how to use them but think that because they spent their money on it it somehow means it's good. So many people in my music degree had no idea how delay or flange actually worked, to them it's just a type of guitar pedal in their collection of never used guitar pedals.

When I started out, I worked in Sonic Foundry Acid Music, which was the basic version and had no fx, no plugins, no synths, nothing like that. About all you could do was automate the volume and panning, and aside from that you could cut up samples. I didn't have money to go buy all the fancy software, so I just did everything with samples. That's how I got really interested in studio techniques, tape, musiqe concrete and all. So many FX are simple concepts, and yet people insist on paying so much money on this fancy plug in or that fancy plug in, and they don't even learn how to really use them, but don't hesitate to show it off as a "proof" of their being a producer. Just because you spend lots of money doesn't make you anything. When all you spend money on stuff you don't use, you're amassing a pile of crap. That's all. That's all my dad ever did. Hoard and hoard all this crap he never used. Then he'd take something back and get something different, and not use it. He probably wasted a fortune driving back and forth from store to store buying and returning crap over, endlessly. And of course, he never let us use anything of it, freakin douche would yell at my mom for buying something for my sister that was a little pricey, while he just hoarded mountains of useless crap for himself. What a selfish dick wad. He deserves to die.

First up, I sense a little father/son issues thing there..sorry to read that ,as I can totally relate to what you're saying..or not..as my own past gives me the super power of reading between the lines. Enough said

As for the main thrust of you post, I totally agree with you..but think it's just how things are moving on in the world. We're like the new wave of old analog guys..those who would look down on anyone who used digital..or even the classically trained musicians, who came before them, who sneered at them for using electronic instruments and questioned the fact they were even musicians in the first place because of it.

Today the kids are growing up with sample packs and VSTs..and the general view seems to be why the fu*k should we learn all that crap, when we can just cut and past to get the same results? Isn't it..or should it be..all about the music in the end?

These days, it's all about making things easy on the user and making money for those making things easy. Face it, what was the last really complex synth that became a best-seller? Even the likes of Omnisphere, which is a great tool with a lot of complexity to it, has to..at the same time..be easy enough to use in order to sell.

I'm saying all of this as a guy who started out chopping old reel-to-reel tape and patching it back together again, in order to experiment with sound..and who's first introduction to "applied effects" was to mess with the playback speed on the same said reel-to-reel unit. Trust me, I get what you mean and where you're coming from.

To be honest though, it's something you'll have to personally get used to..not necessarily accept..but definately get used to..otherwise you run the risk of turning into that stereotypical grumpy old bastard everyone knows and nobody loves.

Just knuckle down and do things your way..and forget about how they do things..it's their loss in the end, even if they don't see it that way. If it's any help, you can take some comfort from the fact that, if push ever comes to shove and all the sample packs and "idiot plugs" vanished tomorrow, you'd still be able to make music and they wouldn't.

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Old 20-10-2017, 02:49 PM   #22
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Re: Can somebody please point me in the right direction for learning how to write IDM

When I started all we had was a wheel and a stick. They were sold separately and batteries weren't included.

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Re: Can somebody please point me in the right direction for learning how to write IDM

While I think, generally speaking, knowing your tools leads to better music if the music is good its good. Ive heard some good music from hardware and hardware guys that are more song writers/keys players than sound designers or engineers and rely heavily on presets with both instruments and FX.

Electronic music is really a bit of a weird bird. Its turned into largely a solo activity and its one of the only generes of music where the expectation is (at least among the artist themselves, but maybe the audience too) that 99% of the process is done by one person.

The rest of the music world is far more collaborative. There is so much to know that I have trouble giving someone shit for not knowing exactly how delay works or additivie synthesis. Is what I’m saying making sense? This is all related in my mind but I’m not expressing it well this morning.

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Old 20-10-2017, 05:16 PM   #24
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Try messing everything up while staying slightly aligned with the rules of Bach/music theory: change time signatures, detune, change tempo, glitch up software and hardware and devices, combine different drum styles, collaborate with someone who makes very different music than what you make, have a theoretical or philosophical approach to a work, include elements of your own audible interactions with the world...

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