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Old 16-02-2015, 02:38 PM   #41
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Re: Should I get a "real" synth?

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Consulting the internet is one thing, but laying hands on a synth is another.
That's really good advice. The key aspect for me currently is whether I can integrate the hardware in the way I work with music at home. I set up here and there with constrained space and often work on something for maybe an hour and then need to do something else. So a dedicated studio-like setup is not working so well, as I end up not using it at all. The 30-days money back thing from Thomann allows me to better test that special aspect...

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Old 17-02-2015, 06:14 AM   #42
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Why dont you go to the justmusic store or any other music store in your town and test both hardware pieces. You can perfectly sit there for some hours and test out 2 or 3 synths that you might want to buy.
Wait, there are brick and mortar music stores in the world still?

80's called, they want their business model back.

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Old 17-02-2015, 07:58 AM   #43
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Re: Should I get a "real" synth?

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Wait, there are brick and mortar music stores in the world still?

80's called, they want their business model back.
I don't exactly live in a thriving metropolis and I can go to a big box music store and demo most of the non-boutique synths.

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Old 17-02-2015, 08:49 AM   #44
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I don't exactly live in a thriving metropolis and I can go to a big box music store and demo most of the non-boutique synths.
I live in a massive city complex of 135,000 people. We have one music store that sells analogue synths at all, and all they have is Volcas, Monotrons and Mini/Microbrutes. The thriving capital of Finland apparently have some shops where these products might even be available for trying, if they so happen to be in stock. One shop, which advertizes itself as Finland's largest even has a MS-20 Mini.

By comparison, there are 7 pages of electric guitars, 3 pages of basses and at least 20 different ukuleles. :problemofficer:

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Old 17-02-2015, 10:47 AM   #45
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...and at least 20 different ukuleles. :problemofficer:
Where do I apply for citizenship? :mayonesa:
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Old 17-02-2015, 11:02 AM   #46
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Re: Should I get a "real" synth?

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I live in a massive city complex of 135,000 people. We have one music store that sells analogue synths at all, and all they have is Volcas, Monotrons and Mini/Microbrutes. The thriving capital of Finland apparently have some shops where these products might even be available for trying, if they so happen to be in stock. One shop, which advertizes itself as Finland's largest even has a MS-20 Mini.

By comparison, there are 7 pages of electric guitars, 3 pages of basses and at least 20 different ukuleles. :problemofficer:
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Old 17-02-2015, 02:22 PM   #47
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Re: Should I get a "real" synth?

I should be fair to Finland, most music played here is rock/metal/pop, and the stores just cater to that. That still does not explain the ukuleles, but I doubt anything will. Perhaps the store owner just has a fixation.

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Old 17-02-2015, 04:29 PM   #48
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Re: Should I get a "real" synth?

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That still does not explain the ukuleles, but I doubt anything will. Perhaps the store owner just has a fixation.
That's a very strange instrument to develop a fixation for.
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Old 18-02-2015, 01:39 AM   #49
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Re: Should I get a "real" synth?

An opportunity presented itself. Now I just realized I misplaced my MIDI cable...




On the other hand, the little guy can play all by himself by routing LFOs to CV/Gate.
Let's see what happens.
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Old 19-02-2015, 11:26 AM   #50
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Re: Should I get a "real" synth?

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has been calling for an outside bass - so I used the µZwerg to lay down a bassline for that track: [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click here to register]
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NIce, it did but squelchy and acid in the later part.

It sounds a bit dry though, could do with some fx

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Old 19-02-2015, 01:28 PM   #52
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Re: Should I get a "real" synth?

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It sounds a bit dry though, could do with some fx
Oh I see what you did there...
Now that I got a real analog synth, I need to go out and buy analog effects units...
Tape delay anyone?
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Re: Should I get a "real" synth?

You can run it through a nice fx chain in your DAW, I use hardware and I don't have any external fx unit (although my Elektron A4 has the best reverb I've heard)

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You can run it through a nice fx chain in your DAW, I use hardware and I don't have any external fx unit (although my Elektron A4 has the best reverb I've heard)
Yeah, I was just trying to justify more gear-acquisition-syndrom :-)

I tried a bit of Saturator and Reverb (native Ableton plugins) but obviously went a bit too soft there...
Any suggestions what one would try to spice up an externally recorded synth like this? I know this needs lot of experimentations but some starting points would be cool...

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Re: Should I get a "real" synth?

In Ableton you can set up a nice parallel chain, on one fx you put a low pass filter and maybe only a bit of compressor and saturator, on the other fx you can put a high pass and have as much fun as you like...

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Old 26-02-2015, 01:50 AM   #56
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Re: Should I get a "real" synth?

Well now, here's the first actual track I've done using the Microzwerg...

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It's indeed quite a change from a workflow perspective. I worked much more in SessionMode Jamming with sounds and recording different versions of various midi lines and only then switching into the arrangement and bringing things over, cutting them up a bit, adding FX, EQing them and trying to make everything sound a bit smoother.

Is that how you guys work with external non-programmable synth as well?

I forgot to note down most of my patches unfortunately. I'm really not used to not having a "save" button :-)

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Re: Should I get a "real" synth?

Yes, And here is why. This week I had the opportunity to jam with some random musician friends, Which is cool in itself. But what really took it to the next level was getting the go ahead and command the Yamaha DX27. All I know to say is, You've not truly lived until you synth IRL.

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Re: Should I get a "real" synth?

At this point there's really no should involved, just do I want to and can I afford it?
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Re: Should I get a "real" synth?

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It's indeed quite a change from a workflow perspective. I worked much more in SessionMode Jamming with sounds and recording different versions of various midi lines and only then switching into the arrangement and bringing things over, cutting them up a bit, adding FX, EQing them and trying to make everything sound a bit smoother.

Is that how you guys work with external non-programmable synth as well?

I forgot to note down most of my patches unfortunately. I'm really not used to not having a "save" button :-)

Cheers,
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I am considering that.


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Re: Should I get a "real" synth?

I bought a synth years ago and to this day, it is collecting dust. Not using my hardware synth does not interfere with my music creation process one bit.

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