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Old 17-01-2015, 09:44 AM   #1
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Thoughs on LANDR free mastering and mastering in general?

So Im still somewhat new.

I make my tracks in fruity loops and am EQing each instrument individually then setting mix volumes.

I leave the master bus empty atm.


Now I heard about LANDR so I started using that to master. My ears arent great to me it just kinda seems like it makes it sound louder...Im not sure if its better or much better etc.

Anyone else using it? And opinions?

Maybe its better to learn to mater yourself? but that could take a while and its not easy?

You can check my SC page top 2 songs for example of master/unmastered track from LANDR

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Old 17-01-2015, 12:38 PM   #2
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Re: Thoughs on LANDR free mastering and mastering in general?

Learn to master yourself..and yes, it does take time to become good at it, but then all things do.

If you don't have the time..can't be bothered..or are just too lazy, then pay a good Sound Engineer to master your work for you, if you want your stuff mastered.

In short, there is nothing better than a set of fresh human ears attached to a head that knows and understands how to master. Whatever about the future of this kind of technology, at the moment it's not good enough to work on the kind of thelevel that's needed to master the music of individual artists.

As you already noted, all it seems to do is make everything louder, which might be good for some styles of music..but not for all. I tried it myself and, while it didn't completely thrash the track in question, I could have gotten far better results mastering the track myself..and I'm still learning to mastering.

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Old 17-01-2015, 01:29 PM   #3
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Learn to master yourself..and yes, it does take time to become good at it, but then all things do.

If you don't have the time..can't be bothered..or are just too lazy, then pay a good Sound Engineer to master your work for you, if you want your stuff mastered.

In short, there is nothing better than a set of fresh human ears attached to a head that knows and understands how to master. Whatever about the future of this kind of technology, at the moment it's not good enough to work on the kind of thelevel that's needed to master the music of individual artists.

As you already noted, all it seems to do is make everything louder, which might be good for some styles of music..but not for all. I tried it myself and, while it didn't completely thrash the track in question, I could have gotten far better results mastering the track myself..and I'm still learning to mastering.
yeh maybe ill just not use it? I dunno...Maybe ill just post my tracks raw straight from the DAW?

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Old 17-01-2015, 01:54 PM   #4
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Re: Thoughs on LANDR free mastering and mastering in general?

Do you have any friends who are producers? getting other people to master your tracks is usually the best option, even if they're not specifically mastering engineers, mastering your own stuff is tricky because youv heard it too many times and have an emotional attachment to the music so you can't be nearly as objective about the balance as others.

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Do you have any friends who are producers? getting other people to master your tracks is usually the best option, even if they're not specifically mastering engineers, mastering your own stuff is tricky because youv heard it too many times and have an emotional attachment to the music so you can't be nearly as objective about the balance as others.
That's true. Good idea there Indican man.
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Old 19-01-2015, 02:40 AM   #6
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Re: Thoughs on LANDR free mastering and mastering in general?

Learn how to mix first and worry about mastering later.
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Old 22-01-2015, 04:42 AM   #7
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Re: Thoughs on LANDR free mastering and mastering in general?

I personally feel like it takes away from a certain element from your music and what makes it yours, Even if you suck at mastering (like myself) you should still challenge yourself to do your own mastering..at least attempt it.

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Re: Thoughs on LANDR free mastering and mastering in general?

In summary: "Freedom isn't free, no there's a hefty furkin fee, and if you don't pay your buck'o'five, who will?"

Computers are dumb. Until they can think for themselves and understand abstract concepts like emotion, feeling and "the vibe of the thing" they will never be able to mix or master or perform any other application that requires these.

If you give LANDR an album, it's not capable of knowing that track 1 is a catchy, light-hearted song; or that track four is a very sombre, sad and personal song to the artist; it can't know that track 7 is the pinnacle of the album. If it can't know these things, it can't know how to master the album.
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Old 22-01-2015, 05:15 AM   #9
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Re: Thoughs on LANDR free mastering and mastering in general?

You might as well slap the same Ozone preset on every track...

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Old 22-01-2015, 10:03 PM   #10
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Re: Thoughs on LANDR free mastering and mastering in general?

I think the idea is pretty interesting in itself, like to have a crazy algorithm filled with mathematical efficiency that can learn from itself. But I think music is still something too human to be mastered only from a computer calculation. All the feelings and ideas someone can have while mastering your song is priceless comparing to a pragmatical / mathematical approach. So I wouldn't rely on it.
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Old 24-01-2015, 01:45 AM   #11
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Re: Thoughs on LANDR free mastering and mastering in general?

It would be better to just do faux masters yourself. Mastering isn't about putting a limiter on a waveform to make it louder (which is all an automated mastering program could do), it's about listening to the track in the context of an album and a genre and making sure it sounds as good as it possibly can within those parameters.

Mastering is *all* about getting a fresh set of ears (and most likely great analog gear and a treated room), so in the order of best to worst: Hire a mastering engineer is best, doing a quick master yourself is second best, and using landr is worst.
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Old 26-02-2015, 06:17 PM   #12
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Re: Thoughs on LANDR free mastering and mastering in general?

i've just tried this on a free promo offer, and i'm unsure as to what i make of it tbh,i need to listen to it a lot to decide how i feel

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Old 26-02-2015, 09:16 PM   #13
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many says you shouldn't master your stuff yourself. for playback one would want to limit by a few db for a fine blending effect, or runned thru some analog outgear, bounced on tape/runned thru a tape plug in, etc. and fix the eq and other issues in the mix!

as for the rest i haven't tried landr yet.
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Don't listen to that Many guy.
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Re: Thoughs on LANDR free mastering and mastering in general?

You're better off doing it yourself over using this piece of shit, no matter how bad you suck.
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Don't listen to that Many guy.
honestly i myself don't care about mastering. but i know that if i run my track in a limiter and it doesn't sound as loud as my reference track i have a problem that can be fixed right in the mix.

yes you should use these tools on your track to see what happen.
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Re: Thoughs on LANDR free mastering and mastering in general?

I've only mastered a couple of my own tracks with serious effort into doing so, and I used Landr too. Even with my limited experience and mastering my own stuff, I still seemed to do a better job. Landr did just make it a bit louder and turn up the bass, compressing the shit out of everything else. It sounds 'radio-ready' , but only from the point of view that the radio seems to play exclusively loud, irritating pop-edm with nothing human or good about it. I settled on thinking that even if my mastering was shite, I would prefer it to sound like a person had dumped all over my mix than have it sound like the worst commercial releases.

As far as self-mastering goes, having a week or as long as possible between finishing your mix and then mastering it seemed to do an awful lot for how well I pulled it off. Pretty much the same deal as mixing a track after writing it, it seemed to me. Also for a basic mastering 101 you can do a lot worse than the PointBlank FFL on Mastering your track with free plug-ins which is, I believe, available for all on youtube. I would post the link but I'm at work so youtube is blocked.

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