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Old 02-12-2014, 03:01 AM   #21
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Re: Adobe DAW? Adobe Audition

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If you had to pick, what would you say is the easiest DAW to pickup? Again, this is just for fun, not to become a serious producer.
It depends a lot on your work flow.

See, learning a DAW is like learning a language. They all do pretty much the same thing, but some will be more difficult to learn compared to others, and some will "click" with you and some won't.

What I'm trying to say is, you're going to find you like working with one DAW better than working with another (like you might find working with Photoshop better than something else). So you have to think about what you're going to find easier to learn and ultimately easier for you to make music.

If you like working in very straightforward, well spaced out programs where everythings quick, where there's a lot of capability, and everything is pretty much the same every time (i.d. if you want to add a sample you do this, if you want to add an effect go there, etc), then Ableton Live will be perfect for you.

If you like working in more broader DAWs, where there's many different ways to do things, and you're kind of free to do whatever you want and it's more like painting on a canvas, then FL Studio is the best choice for you.

Those are the two that I use, they both do most things as well as the other (Ableton does have slightly more functionality in some ways, and vice versa) . I suggest you download the demos and see which you prefer. There's some other DAWs you should try out too: Reason and Cubase, which both have free demos that you can try out.

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Re: Adobe DAW? Adobe Audition

If there was a fully fledged DAW which was like the photoshop of music production, I would say it's Cockos Reaper.

Even though it's not from adobe, it has that adobe feel.
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Old 07-12-2014, 05:19 PM   #23
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Calling Audition a proper "DAW" is inaccurate / misleading, because of the following:

1. It cannot load plug-in instruments.

2. It has no MIDI functionality whatsoever, because (see point 1).

What it is, is a high-end Audio Editor application that also happens to feature a multi-track section. The multi-track could certainly be "used like a DAW" to arrange audio files into full songs. You can edit them extensively using the editor, and apply plugin FX.

it's a great program, and I've been using it since back in the day of Cool Edit Pro Version 2. But Ableton is my DAW; Audition is my audio editor. I don't really use the multi-track function of it, though I used to quite extensively back when it was CEP.

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Audition is massively powerful, more so than ableton live. I've used it constantly since it being cool edit, upgrading each time too. Now, whilst i use it mainly as an audio editor i've also used it to make beds, ads and jingles for radio stations and stuff. Shit, everyone who wanted to be at the radio station i was at HAD to learn audition as part of their training.
YOU CAN use you VST's in it just by telling it the vst folder of yours and scanning it. I have everything available to me in Audition i have in live bar the native plugs.

screenshot from my own copy: It has full midi control if you bother to set it up. This is professional audio production software and really should be looked into further before dismissing it as the ill-informed user in that quote seems to. I personally couldn't do what i do without it. that simple.

I whole whole-heartedly recommend it

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Re: Adobe DAW? Adobe Audition

I used to make a few tunes in Cool Edit years and years ago. I have to say, I don't know how you'd so easily make electronic music in it considering today's alternatives, but some producers swear by it (which I think is kinda cool.... it's like being really into biplanes or something).

Audition does have some extremely useful functions, a few of which actually do seem to be pretty unique to it (though I don't know what every DAW offers in those ways).

* Group Waveform Normalise. Even if you don't want to normalise, it has a great offline loudness analysis tool.
* Opens a crapload of media, including ripping audio direct from CD
* Really excellent batch processing feature (for various tasks)
* Great spectral view, and cool ability to import bitmaps as audio (see the video I linked below)
* Surround sound editor
* Rudimentary video support
* Very good CD burning utility
* excellent, universal shortcut key assignment

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Absolute twallop and misinformation

Audition is massively powerful, more so than ableton live. I've used it constantly since it being cool edit, upgrading each time too. Now, whilst i use it mainly as an audio editor i've also used it to make beds, ads and jingles for radio stations and stuff. Shit, everyone who wanted to be at the radio station i was at HAD to learn audition as part of their training.
YOU CAN use you VST's in it just by telling it the vst folder of yours and scanning it. I have everything available to me in Audition i have in live bar the native plugs.

screenshot from my own copy: It has full midi control if you bother to set it up. This is professional audio production software and really should be looked into further before dismissing it as the ill-informed user in that quote seems to. I personally couldn't do what i do without it. that simple.

I whole whole-heartedly recommend it
interesting!...i have had this without even realizing it!derp...i have adobe master collection cs 5 and 6,i got it for ps,illustrator flash fireworks etc.didn't realize audition was an audio thing.
cool!i will have to look around and see how it works.
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Old 08-12-2014, 09:40 PM   #26
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interesting!...i have had this without even realizing it!derp...i have adobe master collection cs 5 and 6,i got it for ps,illustrator flash fireworks etc.didn't realize audition was an audio thing.
cool!i will have to look around and see how it works.
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Re: Adobe DAW? Adobe Audition

That's really odd for music production. It can do it, but its so not geared towards it. I usually use it with Premiere when I bounce out the audio to Audition for the final audio pass. At the end of the day, do whatever works for you.
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I work in Audition 3 only and been doing it for +10 years (back in the Cool Edit days) and it is definitely possible to use it as a DAW, but you have to play to its strengths. Making music with Audition can be tedious and requires you to do a lot of things manually that other DAWs have automated. You have to make things sound good yourself...

If you plan to do a lot of sampling type stuff, it will fit like a glove, but if you want to layer a lot of midi tracks with virtual instruments, you're asking for a struggle and I seriously doubt you'll ever finish a track. However it is not impossible to add a few midi noodles to a sample heavy track. Be aware that all versions newer than Audition 3 has no midi support.

What I really love about Audition is the way you can chop up samples, turn them upside down and inside out and quickly build crazy grooves in the multitrack editor. Also the effects can really mash you sounds in a lot of different directions.

Over the years I've worked with Fruity Loops, Ableton Live, Presonus One, Logic, but I've always returned to Audition.
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Re: Adobe DAW? Adobe Audition

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Absolute twallop and misinformation

Audition is massively powerful, more so than ableton live. I've used it constantly since it being cool edit, upgrading each time too. Now, whilst i use it mainly as an audio editor i've also used it to make beds, ads and jingles for radio stations and stuff. Shit, everyone who wanted to be at the radio station i was at HAD to learn audition as part of their training.
YOU CAN use you VST's in it just by telling it the vst folder of yours and scanning it. I have everything available to me in Audition i have in live bar the native plugs.... This is professional audio production software and really should be looked into further before dismissing it as the ill-informed user in that quote seems to.
Settle down, dude.

The OP asked if it was a full-featured DAW. I said no, and I said why, and despite whatever fantasy world you live in, that is still absolutely true. Bear in mind I'm also talking about Adobe Audition in its latest incarnation; if you're running some older versions of CEP, there are certainly differences in functionality, as you should know.

To repeat myself: it cannot load VST instruments. I don't give a crap about your screencaps of PSP fx plugins. I never said a thing about that. I said it has no Piano Roll, and it can't load VST instruments.

It has no piano roll, and when I said no MIDI capability, that's what I meant; you can't load VST instruments and record into a piano roll and edit the midi, because that is not what this program does. Does it do a bunch of other stuff? yes, it's a full featured audio editor and I use it on a regular basis.

As for saying it's more powerful than Ableton Live, c'mon -- apples to oranges. Live doesn't even have desctructive audio editing on board. It's a workstation for midi sequencing and audio-warping using their various tools. It's not an audio editor. I have Live configured to out-source to Audition when I click the "edit' button on an audio clip... as it was designed to do, since Live isn't built for that stuff, and Audition is. But someone looking to do midi composition in Audition, well, they are looking in the wrong place. Etc Etc. These two programs are not on any level of competition; they are designed for different purposes. But you surely must know all this.

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Settle down, dude.

The OP asked if it was a full-featured DAW. I said no, and I said why, and despite whatever fantasy world you live in, that is still absolutely true. Bear in mind I'm also talking about Adobe Audition in its latest incarnation; if you're running some older versions of CEP, there are certainly differences in functionality, as you should know.

To repeat myself: it cannot load VST instruments. I don't give a crap about your screencaps of PSP fx plugins. I never said a thing about that. I said it has no Piano Roll, and it can't load VST instruments.

It has no piano roll, and when I said no MIDI capability, that's what I meant; you can't load VST instruments and record into a piano roll and edit the midi, because that is not what this program does. Does it do a bunch of other stuff? yes, it's a full featured audio editor and I use it on a regular basis.

As for saying it's more powerful than Ableton Live, c'mon -- apples to oranges. Live doesn't even have desctructive audio editing on board. It's a workstation for midi sequencing and audio-warping using their various tools. It's not an audio editor. I have Live configured to out-source to Audition when I click the "edit' button on an audio clip... as it was designed to do, since Live isn't built for that stuff, and Audition is. But someone looking to do midi composition in Audition, well, they are looking in the wrong place. Etc Etc. These two programs are not on any level of competition; they are designed for different purposes. But you surely must know all this.


first off, you come across like a total wanker, one who "knows it all but knows jack shit"
Nobody spoke of a specific version of Audition, therefore the possibility of using midi is there (if you use your brain, its simple enough to work around in CS6 too). second of all, so is using VST Instruments. (it's all actually usable in cs6 too)
As for saying it's more powerful than live, it quite simply is. you can do so much more in it - can you record and create mutli-channel sync for film audio with live? Can you edit the spectrum analysis with a "healing" tool in live? Nope. shall i carry on listing how much more powerful a prog Audition is than live? do i really have to do that?
Then onto the next bit of shite... Live does have destructive editing, you can edit audio in it pretty easily - a simple example of that wold be the "crop clip" command - but then being a know it all wanker you know that don't you.

and of course, VSTi's don't work in Audition do they, noooo because you really tried hard to find out how to do that didn't you? well... didn't you? you realise that MIDI capability means more than jst a piano roll, midi capability is the ABILITY TO USE MIDI COMMANDS TO CONTROL THE PROGRAM OR CERTAIN AREAS OF IT, not just wank over a piano roll.
The fact of the matter is, whether these things are different and designed for different uses is moot in this argument, what isn't moot is the BS you're talking without anything to back it up. Just because you don't know how to do something, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.


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Just when you thought things were getting status quo on IDMf someone goes and brings up Adobe Audition

Seriously though, can someone explain in a few details how Audition is more powerful than Live? I'm not disputing that fact, I'd just like to know. I can't think of anything I've needed to do, or wanted to do for that matter, that I haven't been able to do, or know that I could if I knew exactly how, in Live.

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; would you kindly explain what this "Spectrum Heal" thing does?

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^ spectral editing / noise cancellation. Loop creation. Audio editing. Batch processing. To name a few things that it does better than Live.
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Just when you thought things were getting status quo on IDMf someone goes and brings up Adobe Audition

Seriously though, can someone explain in a few details how Audition is more powerful than Live? I'm not disputing that fact, I'd just like to know. I can't think of anything I've needed to do, or wanted to do for that matter, that I haven't been able to do, or know that I could if I knew exactly how, in Live.

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; would you kindly explain what this "Spectrum Heal" thing does?

remember using CoolEdit Pro back in my broadcasting school days, good times.


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google is so hard to use isn't it
Well I know from experience that sometimes I can type terms into Google and trawl through reams of information trying to find what I am looking for where someone who was more knowledgable in the topic I'm researching would probably be able to find something relevant, helpful and less confusing for me in a few seconds.

Unfortunately, Google et al haven't figured out how to abstract the meaning of our words yet. They're just arbitrary terms in a dictionary.

Don't believe me, Google How is Audition better than Live. Not very helpful. What about including the company names? Also not very helpful. Let's try comparing the products? Hmm, doesn't seem anyone's posted about that on the Ableton forums.

I guess we'll just have to search for people who use Audition and Live and ask them directly :badger:
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my point is any muppet can input "adobe audition spectrum" into google (try it and see) and see what it comes up with, i think the point is that people should at least try to google first, then ask after they don't get the answer, which defeats the purpose of threads like this and so on and around :badger:
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i think the point is that people should at least try to google first, then ask after they don't get the answer, which defeats the purpose of threads like this and so on and around :badger:
So wait. You're saying we should close IDMf? Dude I didn't realise shit was getting that bad. If you're sick of typing shit into Google for me, that's cool. I'll just send you fifty bucks and you can hire an intern so you can have a break over Christmas.
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So wait. You're saying we should close IDMf? Dude I didn't realise shit was getting that bad. If you're sick of typing shit into Google for me, that's cool. I'll just send you fifty bucks and you can hire an intern so you can have a break over Christmas.

an intern? i'm sold, i'll send YOU 50 bucks for one of those!
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