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Old 16-08-2012, 11:22 PM   #41
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It's all bullshit. Don't fall into the trap.
I'd rather paint my walls pink, cause that will actually make a difference.
If my walls were pink, I'd want to eat some delicious baked goods, that I've seen you float a few pictures of on here.

Would this be your weakness too?

To the op, I produce music at 15hz. It's really hard but I get it done. And it's almost like staring at a blank canvas. Almost.

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Old 16-08-2012, 11:28 PM   #43
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Calm down. I just noticed that people seemed kinda hung-up on all the hocus pocus bullshit. Sounded to me like some were dismissing alternate tunings altogether. Pardon me for throwing in my two cents.

hell no alternate tunings are the shit!

and this whole music resonates better is probably not the tuning to 423 or whatever but just the fact a lot of those artists must be using 'just interval intonation'..instead of temperment.

I doubt la monte young buys into the 4563hz music whatever, but he does like his just intonation.


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hell no alternate tunings are the shit!

and this whole music resonates better is probably not the tuning to 423 or whatever but just the fact a lot of those artists must be using 'just interval intonation'..instead of temperment.

I doubt la monte young buys into the 4563hz music whatever, but he does like his just intonation.

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This. Just intonation will make things erm "resonate" better than changing the fundamental frequency of an equal temperament. You can't really change scales without retuning though, so there's that.

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Old 17-08-2012, 04:07 AM   #45
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Producing music at 0hz lets you tap into the infinite mechanic of the universe and travel at the speed of thought through countless dimensions.
I think it also forces you to spontaneously shit

Edit: awwww someone already posted about the "brown note" :/
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Re: 432 Hz and other frequencies

as for the "how did the gregorians know," i know that many scholars in the engineering/acoustic fields are amazed at how master violinmakers made their instruments, getting them to resonate perfectly, and that they're pretty much made the same way today, many modern makers copying older models. Sure there might have been trial and error in the very beginning, after hundreds of years, even with all the technology we have today, there is very little variation on the model/shape (that sound good). i guess my point is that sometimes there are things that are hard to explain, and little proof haha

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Actually, I believe they did testing recently, and found that in an unbiased test, musicians actually preferred the sound of one of the newer violins over a Stradivarius.

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that may be true (as a matter of taste) but how 'different' were the models? I was trying to say that somehow the older guys figured it out, and I highly doubt the shape of the better sounding one or whatever is substantially different in its construction/ratios. I forgot to add that the ratios found on the instruments are relative to each other (the golden ratio) [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click here to register]

(scroll down for a look at a strad violin and its measurements).

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I don't know about you guys, but I mix all my tracks at infrasonic frequencies below the threshold of all human perception. It just sounds better.
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Old 20-08-2012, 02:43 AM   #51
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I don't know about you guys, but I mix all my tracks at infrasonic frequencies below the threshold of all human perception. It just sounds better.
See, what I do is transpose everything into ultra-sonic radiation and bounce that off the upper atmosphere, resampling it using a large array of dishes and mixing it as I record it, before putting it through some Waves presets for mastering.

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See, what I do is transpose everything into ultra-sonic radiation and bounce that off the upper atmosphere, resampling it using a large array of dishes and mixing it as I record it, before putting it through some Waves presets for mastering.
I hope you remember to compensate for the latency between frequencies that occurs when sound travels long physical and metaphysical distances, or your binaural beats will be all wacked out and no longer promote confidence and wellbeing. I just do it by opening and closing Cubase seven times in a row, reciting the name of a dead loved one each time. Then you just mix down as normal.
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Nah, I smear my cables with pork fat specifically to ensure my binaural beats get all whacked out.

It really blitzes your chakras, you know. much better for you than positive binaural beats.

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See, what I do is transpose everything into ultra-sonic radiation and bounce that off the upper atmosphere, resampling it using a large array of dishes and mixing it as I record it, before putting it through some Waves presets for mastering.
So you're the reason our Sky set-top box is giving us crap pictures lately!

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Re: 432 Hz and other frequencies

MapulateRealty, what you want to look into is just intonation. What matters when it comes to the purity of resonation, etc, is not so much the frequencies themselves (which though they may count for something in other ways, it's not really clear how or what) but the ratios of the frequency intervals you're using. Understanding just intonation provides you with the fundamentals to begin playing with these ratios.
Using 432 instead of 440.. I dunno, these numbers are probably just arbitrary.
At the least though, using a different root frequency than that provided by the keyboard will at least give you an entirely different frequency palette to the average western musician.
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Re: 432 Hz and other frequencies

19, 22, 24, 31 or 36 tone equal temperament is where the magic is (if one wish it to be). Placebo, just like religion.
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Hm, a bit dissapointed in the fact I made a mistake in thinking that this is a nice open community. I mean, if you don't like or agree with what I am saying, than begin a discussion with me, or don't read it at all. But I think swearing is useless on a forum and a waste of your time.

yeah, but first and foremost is this a community of technically inclined MUSICIANS. We tend to know a thing or two about frequencies, how they work and the cause and effect of sound and it's reverberation and so on.

it's not that we are closed off, but let me ask you this: how in the world would 432hz be some otherwordly frequency t hat somehow manages to produce some sort of miraculous.. thing and/or other.. stuff?

does that mean that the harmonics of said frequencies also does some sort of wonderous thing?
what about when add a fifth or a fourth to it?
then what?

i wonder what happens if we offtune this 432 to 432.2? does the universe implode?

we have had this discussion many many MANY times here and so far nobody have been able to explain and/or give a good argument as to why this would be some sort of magical frequency other than this:

"it's the resonant frequency of the universe".

when asked to explain it, the argument turns to this: "IF YOU DONT BELIEVE THEN DONT BELEIVE, BUT IT IS. STOP BEING SO CLOSEMINDED!", which hardly would qualify as neither an explanation, nor anything remotely close to an argument for said magical frequencies at all.

the brown note is one thing, so is the resonant frequency of the eyeball, because these are subsonic frequencies and in theoryit makes sort of sense.
the resonant frequency of an object makes sense in theory as well, hell even mythbusters tested that (even though they were trying to replicate Tesla's earthquake machine, but still, it's the same principle), but a given resonant frequency of the universe?
hardly.

some people claim it has to do with alfa and theta-waves but that's not something magical at all, rather a psychoacoustic and neurologic phenomenon, and only works for certain subjects, much like hypnosis only works for people willing to be hypnotised and/or are believers, or are easily manipulated.

the best reason to find 432 to be the resonant universal frequency is because of numerlogy;

3 2 are incredibly awesome numbers is you're a numerologist and from these numbers you can produce any numberstring in the universe because 3-2 is 1 and 2 and 1 are the only hting you need to produce any string there is with some math involved, and 4 can be made to 2 via things like 4 - 2 or 4 / 2 or 4 - 3 + 1 and so on. there's a reason there's so much talk about the golden ratio and such when it comes to the resonant frequency of the universe and if you've ever read anything about numerlogy you'll see just how easy it is to end up with these "magic" numbers.

it's not a golden ratio, nor is it a resonant frequency of the universe. it's just basic math and a will to find patterns that hold some sort of magical significance. like somebody else said: it's as much fact as religion;not at all.
just a beliefsystem and a will to find a special meaning in things.

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Don't shoot the messenger! I didn't made this stuff up, the ancient Gregorians did

yeah, and that should be a clue as to how much bullshit it is.
honestly, read some old philosophical and scientific texts and books and realise just how stupid you just made yourself look on a public fora.

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Well I myselfe am very open for all kinds of theories. I listen to it very carefully, at first I kind of believe it. Then I'm able to analyze it in my head, deciding wether it's wrong or false. And even then I remain open for other explanations. And there are so many sites which talk about the 432Hz theory, you can't compare that anymore. Some of them are vague sites, but others are very credible.

which sites are these?
can you link to some research papers on the subject?
do any of these sites have some sort of controlled studies on the subject, or do the provide their "facts" with skewed statistics, out-of-context data, hypothetical scenarios and philosophical claims?

i've yet to see anything credible except for some articles about somebody who discovered the resonant frequency of the eyeball and made his own studies and published them, and those were discredited by a big chunk of the scientific community while other believe them to have a theoretical truth to them, but need to properly investigated before being claimed as credible and anything but a theory made by one man and his research papers which he could have written out of his ass. in theory it could work. in practice it hasn't been proven at all, but it is believed (according to those who accepts the theory of the resonant frequency of the eyeball, that is) to be linked with paranormal phenomena and things such as hallucinations and sudden nausea and so on.

but please, show me some credible sites, i'd be happy to read them.

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as for the "how did the gregorians know," i know that many scholars in the engineering/acoustic fields are amazed at how master violinmakers made their instruments, getting them to resonate perfectly, and that they're pretty much made the same way today, many modern makers copying older models. Sure there might have been trial and error in the very beginning, after hundreds of years, even with all the technology we have today, there is very little variation on the model/shape (that sound good). i guess my point is that sometimes there are things that are hard to explain, and little proof haha
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