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Old 09-05-2012, 05:16 PM   #1
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Bitchin' 3rds and 4ths

Hello people,

Does anyone here actually play chords without any inversions? I find that pretty much ALL chords sound flat and lifeless, BUT, if you raise the perfect 3rd/4th by an octave or two, the chord sound really REALLY nice!

I'm just wondering if anyone doesn't do this with every single chord they play. And if they could shed some light on how they make their chord progressions sounds so nice!!!

Thanks, I'm pretty baffled by this.

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Old 09-05-2012, 05:18 PM   #2
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Re: Bitchin' 3rds and 4ths

i usually always start with chord, then go up 1 and down 2. works a treat.

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Old 09-05-2012, 05:54 PM   #3
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Re: Bitchin' 3rds and 4ths

[QUOTE=FunkMasterBrown;877833]i usually always start with chord, then go up 1 and down 2. works a treat.

So you raise the 3rd/4th?

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Old 09-05-2012, 05:59 PM   #4
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Re: Bitchin' 3rds and 4ths

I don't know what this 3rd 4th stuff is, but I'm just starting to use chords, and even before going up and down octaves, I'm finding that taking the middle key from the chord, and going up an octave or two, is sounding pretty cool.

I'm sure there is a term or technique name, but I'm too lazy to read about chords, kind of playing/guessing stuff.

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Old 09-05-2012, 06:10 PM   #5
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Re: Bitchin' 3rds and 4ths

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I don't know what this 3rd 4th stuff is, but I'm just starting to use chords, and even before going up and down octaves, I'm finding that taking the middle key from the chord, and going up an octave or two, is sounding pretty cool.

I'm sure there is a term or technique name, but I'm too lazy to read about chords, kind of playing/guessing stuff.
It's called an inversion I believe (don't quote me on that though, I'm a music theory noob). And yeah, raising the "middle" note in a standard minor/major chord is what I'm getting at And yes, it does sound pretty fucking sweet

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Old 09-05-2012, 06:14 PM   #6
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It's called an inversion I believe (don't quote me on that though, I'm a music theory noob). And yeah, raising the "middle" note in a standard minor/major chord is what I'm getting at And yes, it does sound pretty fucking sweet
Ha, yea I saw a chord progression with inversions, it didn't look anything like that. I really need to sit down and learn chords more properly though.

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Old 09-05-2012, 06:16 PM   #7
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Re: Bitchin' 3rds and 4ths

It's not technically an inversion, (that would be raising the bass - lowest - note of the chord to the top) just a weird 'voicing'. Not that it matters

Raising the third does sound pretty nice; it emphasises the 'quality' of the chord ie. whether it's major or minor.

Also, small thing, but there's no such thing as a perfect third
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Old 09-05-2012, 06:21 PM   #8
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It's not technically an inversion, (that would be raising the bass - lowest - note of the chord to the top) just a weird 'voicing'. Not that it matters

Raising the third does sound pretty nice; it emphasises the 'quality' of the chord ie. whether it's major or minor.

Also, small thing, but there's no such thing as a perfect third
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Old 10-05-2012, 09:07 AM   #9
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Re: Bitchin' 3rds and 4ths

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It's not technically an inversion, (that would be raising the bass - lowest - note of the chord to the top) just a weird 'voicing'. Not that it matters

Raising the third does sound pretty nice; it emphasises the 'quality' of the chord ie. whether it's major or minor.

Also, small thing, but there's no such thing as a perfect third
BAH! Wrong again! hahaha Bloody music theory is so hard. Thanks for the explanation, always wondered why raising the 3rd/4th sounded so sweet ;D

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Old 10-05-2012, 12:27 PM   #10
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Re: Bitchin' 3rds and 4ths

An inversion is just a different voicing of the notes of the chord. Basically the most simple configuration of a chord is what we consider to be the main structure, and different configurations of the notes in the chord are the inversions.

Look at a simple triad chord for example:

C Major. Notes are C (root) - E (major third) - G (fifth)

First inversion (C/E): E - G - C

Second inversion (C/G): G - C - E

The voicing of a chord helps to emphasise different elements of it - whichever note you stick on the top tends to be more prominent. I wouldn't worry about this over much...if it sounds sweet to you, then just go with that.

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Old 11-05-2012, 08:14 AM   #11
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Re: Bitchin' 3rds and 4ths

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Hello people,

Does anyone here actually play chords without any inversions? I find that pretty much ALL chords sound flat and lifeless, BUT, if you raise the perfect 3rd/4th by an octave or two, the chord sound really REALLY nice!

I'm just wondering if anyone doesn't do this with every single chord they play. And if they could shed some light on how they make their chord progressions sounds so nice!!!

Thanks, I'm pretty baffled by this.
of course everyone does that my friend... and never say root triads feel cold, u could be playing 4 different chords in 8 bars n squeezing one root chord in there sounds pretty good (one thing i've learned in art is that u also can make an amazing impression out of sth so klishe or boring IF YOU KNOW HOW TO DO IT n trust me I've seen n heared that a looooooot , be creative, dont limit urself )... back to playing, it all comes down to how you feel when playing, one chord's 1st inversion would go smoothly with some other chord's +7...I would say stop being lazy n read/practice then u'll see how ahead it will get rather than JUST EXPERIMENTING
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Re: Bitchin' 3rds and 4ths

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of course everyone does that my friend... and never say root triads feel cold, u could be playing 4 different chords in 8 bars n squeezing one root chord in there sounds pretty good (one thing i've learned in art is that u also can make an amazing impression out of sth so klishe or boring IF YOU KNOW HOW TO DO IT n trust me I've seen n heared that a looooooot , be creative, dont limit urself )... back to playing, it all comes down to how you feel when playing, one chord's 1st inversion would go smoothly with some other chord's +7...I would say stop being lazy n read/practice then u'll see how ahead it will get rather than JUST EXPERIMENTING
good luck
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Thanks for the insight my friend I didn't say root triads feel cold; just bland and interesting And all this isn't experimental, I've actually been researching music theory but it does get quite confusing at times. 8-notes have got a very extensive and in-depth music theory course online - for free! It's awesome!

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i usually always start with chord, then go up 1 and down 2. works a treat.

So you raise the 3rd/4th?
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Re: Bitchin' 3rds and 4ths

personally 5ths are my favourite.
but yeah, augmenting/inverting a chord sounds way better than the root chord.

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chord's +7
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Thanks for the insight my friend I didn't say root triads feel cold; just bland and interesting And all this isn't experimental, I've actually been researching music theory but it does get quite confusing at times. 8-notes have got a very extensive and in-depth music theory course online - for free! It's awesome!
Gr8, don't worry it will pay off sweeeeeet @ the end, totally worth it
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It's called an inversion I believe (don't quote me on that though, I'm a music theory noob). And yeah, raising the "middle" note in a standard minor/major chord is what I'm getting at And yes, it does sound pretty fucking sweet
Close! If my music theory classes serve me right along with my memory a true inversion is taking the highest note of the chord and making it into the Root, and that would be the FIRST inversion, with the 2nd being the top being moved down, along with the 2nd and so on and so forth..

for example a C Major is CEG, a C major First inversion would be a GCE, followed by the 2nd inversion which would be EGC. Its the same chord, but the order is inverse.

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