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Old 29-12-2014, 09:26 AM   #1
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Bridging verses and choruses

ive been trying to muck around with a trapish song (i dont care if people call me a bandwagoner, i do this for a hobby im a metalhead at heart) with a riff i came up with on guitar. its in c major using quarter notes with a delay carring over piano chords giving it a happy sound but then when i have the verse with those brassy stabs over a sparse drum line that are the norm in trap i sort of run an e phrygian mode riff over the top giving it a dark feeling. now e phrygian from my basic music theory knowledge is basically c major scale but the root of the scale is now e giving it a dark, eastern quality. now when i try and bridge these two parts together even though i havent changed key or anything they still sound like two different songs, im new to composing on both guitar and in daws so maybe im missing something here. jack u (skrillex and diplo) song take you there has a basic chord progression of emaj, fmin, c#min, then in the trap verse it has a sort of chromatic run where it runs c, b, c, c#, b and it sounds awesome and they manage to bring those two parts together even though youd think it wouldnt sound good

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Old 29-12-2014, 06:40 PM   #2
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Re: Bridging verses and choruses

there's no reason you shouldn't be able to go directly from a c major sound to an e phyrigian sound.

maybe the reason it sounds like two different songs has to do with something else? You need more than just a chord progression that looks good on paper. The way I think of a composition evolving is usually by changing an element or two while keeping other elements the same.

for instance, if you are making a big harmonic change, you might keep the same rhythmic motif, or you might keep the same contour to the melody, this way the song will still have a thread to it. So, whenever there is a change in a song, ask yourself "what am I changing and what am I keeping the same". The areas I would consider are: melody, harmony, rhythm, texture, energy level, and density. Try keeping a few the same and changing a couple.

hope this helps.
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Re: Bridging verses and choruses

I can't really say anything that much more than what's already been said, but I can say that maybe if you run a single-note pad through both parts of the song, it would help tie it together.

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Re: Bridging verses and choruses

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ive been trying to muck around with a trapish song (i dont care if people call me a bandwagoner, i do this for a hobby im a metalhead at heart) with a riff i came up with on guitar. its in c major using quarter notes with a delay carring over piano chords giving it a happy sound but then when i have the verse with those brassy stabs over a sparse drum line that are the norm in trap i sort of run an e phrygian mode riff over the top giving it a dark feeling. now e phrygian from my basic music theory knowledge is basically c major scale but the root of the scale is now e giving it a dark, eastern quality. now when i try and bridge these two parts together even though i havent changed key or anything they still sound like two different songs, im new to composing on both guitar and in daws so maybe im missing something here. jack u (skrillex and diplo) song take you there has a basic chord progression of emaj, fmin, c#min, then in the trap verse it has a sort of chromatic run where it runs c, b, c, c#, b and it sounds awesome and they manage to bring those two parts together even though youd think it wouldnt sound good
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This can be due to sounds being used as well as fiddling with scales and melodies.
* Introduce some sounds used in other part to prepare listener.
* Change sound design slightly on some parts to make it more coherent.

Also composition maters. just having a proper rise, breakdown, more silent part for just a few seconds can be enough to make the transition acceptable.
* Try and make a single note melody bridge with one instrument that sound good. It can be slight variation of the two themes. When the single note melody bridge sound nice try and add the other instruments in whatever mix you want them.

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