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Old 02-10-2013, 09:34 PM   #1
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How to collaborate?

I just started making music and when I tell people that I am working on this kind of thing, and they also work on electronic music, they almost always want to collaborate. I tried once and it was pretty awkward. We just kinda took turns watching each other doing things.

How do you collaborate with other electronic music producers? Looking for advice because I would like something more interactive, but a lot of producing music is like headphones, clicking listening over and over and correcting.

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Old 02-10-2013, 09:48 PM   #2
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Re: How to collaborate?

I've done both long distance and in-studio collabs. I find it best to set clear roles for each person. Until you establish a report, its going to be awkward, you just met the person! Also, I find the use of hardware synths/drum machines or MIDI controllers helpful so you can jam together. As you say, watching someone click a mouse is kinda awkward.

I'd also suggest each of you showing up to the session with some already partially worked on, this can work too.

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Old 02-10-2013, 10:38 PM   #3
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Re: How to collaborate?

I've done musical chairs with a group once.

We brought in 8 laptops. We would work on the project for 15 minutes and then hop over to the next one. After 2 hours we checked them all out

The results were pretty interesting haha

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Old 02-10-2013, 11:07 PM   #4
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Re: How to collaborate?

Interesting thread. I've always wondered the same and had the same experiance of working together. I found it really annoying, either I wasnt in control of mouse or if I was i wanted the other person to go and leave me to it!
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Old 02-10-2013, 11:12 PM   #5
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Re: How to collaborate?

The most collaborating I've done has been with vocalists. I hate my own voice (but not necessarily my lyric writing or word placement skills) so I often get other people to sing on my tracks. Oh yeah, well I forgot...I also work with other guitar players on solos since well, I suck at those too. Luckily I know a few great soloists around the world so I have that covered.

It's mostly a matter of having something laid out and just adding to it. I've done some vocal work for other people before, and a few guitar things here and there (Auto's open genre collab song being the most recent). Just dont be the guy who has to have it his way, it's a compromise on all sides.
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Old 02-10-2013, 11:18 PM   #6
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Re: How to collaborate?

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I've done musical chairs with a group once.

We brought in 8 laptops. We would work on the project for 15 minutes and then hop over to the next one. After 2 hours we checked them all out

The results were pretty interesting haha
Was this @ icomputer?

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Old 02-10-2013, 11:31 PM   #7
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Re: How to collaborate?

I have always wondered this myself, I wonder how different it would be to jamming with a band (which I still do). Could be fun though, I am always keen for new things.

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Old 02-10-2013, 11:36 PM   #8
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Re: How to collaborate?

The best way is to collaborate with someone who isn't also a 'producer' (lame term, but you get what I mean).
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Old 04-10-2013, 07:13 AM   #9
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Re: How to collaborate?

Yeah. I feel like it would be easier to collaborate with a band or someone who played an instrument, but the two producer thing is what I'm wondering about. I know it can work because it happens all the time
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Old 04-10-2013, 03:42 PM   #10
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Re: How to collaborate?

Yeah just found this out the hard way on Wednesday night. Dance music production is a solo kinda thing with a lot of trial and error and minor corrections on looping elements. We found it especially hard to focus as we where old mates and had a lot of catching up to do lol
On the plus side my new partner in crime is in a rock band and is a sound engineer so I am learning all sorts of great things, even if it is a bit awkward......
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Old 04-10-2013, 04:25 PM   #11
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Re: How to collaborate?

I prefer trading wav files. Like one guy starts then sends them over and the other guy adds something or changes what is there. Little to no pressure to having to come up with something right then while others are waiting. I dont like working like that too much at all really. Probably because I hate pressure.

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Old 04-10-2013, 04:31 PM   #12
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Re: How to collaborate?

No matter what method you choose don't forget patience and understanding. Different people have different ways and needs, understand this and you're halfway there.

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Old 04-10-2013, 05:01 PM   #13
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Re: How to collaborate?

Agreed, can't imagine working with someone rushing me and being pushy, would be a terrible experience.
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Re: How to collaborate?

Yes rushed snd pushy would be less than desirable conditions for the creative process. Most of the time I've been in situations like this though is because I do that to myself not because anyone is rushing or pushing me. It all comes from my own mind which is fueled by feelings of inadecuacy and self doubt. I tell myself I had better do something quick else whoever it is might begin to lose faith.

It all comes down to a deep and core need to be accepted, and the fallacy that says the best way to gain it is by the things I'm able to do to impress you. This makes the face to face group collaberative process for me, not only forced but also, very dishonest in nature. It's impossible for it to be just about the music when all of these other contributing factors are present.

As such, as I said before, I prefer file swaps.

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Old 04-10-2013, 05:27 PM   #15
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Re: How to collaborate?

trade off getting high and working on the computer.

when one has an a-ha moment they take over the computer, or the getting high.

been there done that, now i prefer working alone or directing/guiding people who play instruments to play on my material.

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Re: How to collaborate?

In music, I have observed that some people confuse collaboration with wanting session musicians.

Collab is ideas flowing in both directions. You want a collab, gotta let go of control. How comfortable is any mostly-solo-creator with that? Its a bit of a test for anyone. It can test patience somewhat. This doesn't just apply to music but that's the arena we're in here.

Its about compromise, its about finding what you can accept that isn't necessarily optimal in your own little world. Its about expanding your world. Its about getting it wrong, seeing someone else do what you think may be wrong...

...and doing it anyway.

Because sometimes after you're done with this or that project and when you've managed to gain some distance and objectivity you realise that its more than you could ever have achieved on your own.

That's collab.

(For the record, anyone from these forums I've done pieces with, I'm completely happy with, even if nobody else has heard or will hear it)

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Old 05-10-2013, 02:14 AM   #17
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Re: How to collaborate?

^ I agree with that. The online route is great, unless you're both in the same room with your own computer.
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Re: How to collaborate?

First you should start and then you can start ing. Feel each other out. Let one person take over for a bit and then trade off. Show off your talents to each other. This will warm you up.

Now, think about all the different things that come into play when creating music and break them down. The list seems endless . BUT there is enough to keep everyone involved and busy. It comes down to how you manage all of it (ex. time) if you want to have a successful collaboration.

Your biggest issue will be being creative together. IF you don't feel the creativity flowing then I recommend .

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Re: How to collaborate?

I think it's easier for musicians to collab in person as you just all play an instrument/sing jump in by playing by ear. I come from a family of musicians so it is common for us to on the spur of the moment jump on the piano, someone on the guitar and someone sing when the mood hits us.

When you bring in DAWS, patches, and effects it kind of makes an in person collab less intuitive. If each person can have access to a controller, instrument then it makes it more organic. My suggestion would be to just pick any sample and jam out something and change the sample/add effects later.

I don't like sitting on a computer with other people watching me work...it's a mood killer. Plus sometimes you let annoying beats and rhythms run and you sit there thinking is this annoying to listen to over and over when you wouldn't have to do that alone.

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