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Old 15-05-2013, 11:42 PM   #1
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sampling techniques

How is it that people like daft punk and pretty lights use samples with parts taken out of them? like the drums taken off or a vocal taken off of a sample? is filtering the only way to do this?

I know you can do some stuff with phase cancellation but that never really worked for me. Do they just get lucky and get good stems?

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Old 15-05-2013, 11:53 PM   #2
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Re: sampling techniques

Not trying to be captain obvious but volume automation and really hard sidechains work as well.

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Old 15-05-2013, 11:57 PM   #3
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Re: sampling techniques

Do you have any specific tunes you are referring to?

It all depends, alot of drum parts/loops have been recycled over the years (e.g amen break) and in some cases you can go back and find clean source material from old music.

Or quite possibly in Daft Punk's case they have been able to ask labels for various stems and are given them because they are Daft Punk....

If you have an example we can always try and work it out

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Old 16-05-2013, 12:05 AM   #4
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Or quite possibly in Daft Punk's case they have been able to ask labels for various stems and are given them because they are Daft Punk....
This.
Even with filtering, you can't fully take out the rest of a song and grab something, unless there is a point in the track where it solos what you want, at least not from my experience.

But you can always use acapellas from other sites, until you get super Daft Punk famous

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Old 16-05-2013, 01:51 AM   #5
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Re: sampling techniques


this is the tune im sampling. Specifially the chorus. I sidechained the shit out of it to get the kick and clap out and filtered as much of the bass out as possible but it sounds very shitty. chic songs rarely have parts without drums and bass.. its frustrating

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Old 16-05-2013, 09:23 AM   #6
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Re: sampling techniques

Yeah I also reckon they get the stems somehow... for some tracks you can sometimes buy specific stems like vocals or drums on site such as Beatport... Or sometimes you can get stems from remix competitions... Or you can try anc contact the artist labels and ask nicely...

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Old 16-05-2013, 03:01 PM   #7
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Re: sampling techniques

Sampling from the original source is a combination of luck, time and patience. I've been sampling like mad lately and sometimes I'm luck to pull a single clean drum sound from a song. Personally, I've stopped sampling from the perspective of "I want samples from that exact song"...rather than that, I buy what seem like interesting vinyls w/o listening...unusual stuff I've not heard of...then after I've recorded it and chopped stuff out I always feel satisfied.

If you do some digging on discogs and eBay you can find promotional copies of singles that typically have the full song and the radio edit on the a side then the a capella and instrumental on the other. You can probably find CDs like this as well, though I haven't looked.

Sampling is still a bit of a dark art rather than a science, that's why I love it : )

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Old 16-05-2013, 05:58 PM   #8
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Re: sampling techniques

I'm not sure about Pretty Lights but I don't think Daft Punk have ever used isolated parts in their tracks. You can hear the original drums in the intros of One More Time and Digital Love pretty clearly. I wouldn't worry about cutting out elements completely as it'll ruin other parts that share the same frequencies, just make enough room for your own elements with some light filtering/eqing and experiment with different settings on the side chain compressor, some samples work better than others. Could you post your attempt?
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Old 16-05-2013, 08:16 PM   #9
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Re: sampling techniques

i dont have much of an attempt with the song i posted above, but heres an attempt on different samples. this one doesnt sound too bad so far

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Re: sampling techniques

daft punk lifts a lot from vinyls though.
luckily for them, vinyls tend to want certain things in the ceanter channel to skip the needle from jumping. lots of old vinyls have lots of stuff in the center that you can easily cancel out/lift forward. neat.

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Re: sampling techniques

some software i havent seen mentioned is izotope RX2.
it is great for getting rid of those final remaining bits of sound after you have removed what you can using filtering, phase e.t.c.
its a whole lot of money if youre just a hobby producer though, but if you can justify spending the money on it then its a great tool.

also, some small leftovers are easily covered up once the samples are mixed back into a track. when soloed the problems might seem big, but when heard in a mix masking may work in your favour. its not ideal, but its realistic

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Old 24-05-2013, 11:50 AM   #12
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Re: sampling techniques

Voice Trap is pretty cool too (also available as freeware)

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Old 24-05-2013, 12:47 PM   #13
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this is the tune im sampling. Specifially the chorus. I sidechained the shit out of it to get the kick and clap out and filtered as much of the bass out as possible but it sounds very shitty. chic songs rarely have parts without drums and bass.. its frustrating
Rather ironically you're sampling a song that uses samples itself, I know there's duke ellingtons it don't mean a thing sampled in there so maybe look to the original sources for better samples too

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Whosampled.com is great for that sort of knowledge
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Re: sampling techniques

there are many reasons why the music from the70s is so good to sample

one of them is that in the 60s everything sounded like shit and in the 80s the shit was all over processed 95% of the time but in the 70s you have all of these lush instruments and singer going off everywhere and the majority of the time you can hear fuck all of the drums

you start layering a house beat over that sample with a bit of sidechain theres just no way its getting heard

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i might have to try that out.
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Rather ironically you're sampling a song that uses samples itself, I know there's duke ellingtons it don't mean a thing sampled in there so maybe look to the original sources for better samples too

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Whosampled.com is great for that sort of knowledge
nice link. seems theyve got quite a big database too.

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Thanks guys! I'm currently using an ion ttusb turn table to record samples. I just got into this method but god damn it's fun hitting up thrift store crates and searching for samples on old obscure records.

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Old 04-06-2013, 07:30 PM   #18
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Re: sampling techniques

just some of what i've been learning as I try more and more sampling: A lot of the time when you hear a filtered part of the song you want to sample and it sounds bad/too bright/etc on its own but when you start adding in the rest of your tune the masking effect helps cover up more of the rolloff; its like finding a balance between the filter points and the volume of the sample and frequencies in the same area from your tune. hope this helps!

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