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Old 15-04-2012, 08:47 PM   #1
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I need a sampler!!!

I want to do breakcore, hard glitchy funk shizzle.

Ok, so I had rs7000 or such in my mind, but it seems pretty slow to work on fly, when performing live and such when you want to have songs fast in a row.

Also I want something that is able to record what I say, loop it, or instanly able to change the last world or kick I do and then twist a knob and it pitches it or makes that fast trrrrrr sound.
I saw something from korg that had some stuff to record, loop and add effects and such, but I would want to have a lot of control, alot of abilities and creativity in it.

I'm not a pro musician or pro anything, I don't really care from anything except going somewhere to just play and annoy people.

I don't really mind how expencive atm, I have few k's to spend, so a list would be nice for breakcore.

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Old 15-04-2012, 09:40 PM   #2
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Re: I need a sampler!!!

Why not go for a laptop, ableton and 1 or 2 midi controllers?

Faster and more flexible.

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Old 15-04-2012, 09:40 PM   #3
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Re: I need a sampler!!!

You should have a look at my Electribe thread - a lot of that was covered in there.

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Old 15-04-2012, 09:46 PM   #4
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Re: I need a sampler!!!

elektron machinedrum UW.

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Old 15-04-2012, 10:03 PM   #5
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Re: I need a sampler!!!

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elektron machinedrum UW.
If you have the dough there is really no other option than this.

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Old 16-04-2012, 09:03 AM   #6
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Re: I need a sampler!!!

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If you have the dough there is really no other option than this.
Assuming you like the elektron machinedrum sound which after some trial and error I decided I dont.

To my mind you really want a korg esx1 (available super cheap on ebay) and something like a kaoss pad 3 or kaoss pad quad for the live glitching/distortion and so on.

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Old 16-04-2012, 10:52 AM   #7
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Re: I need a sampler!!!

if it counts, the roland sp404sx has a big knob at the top that goes trrrrrrrrrr lol
it has great effects as well and would be good to use live. if you want to spend decent money maybe buy on of those in conjunction with something else?

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Old 16-04-2012, 08:48 PM   #8
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Re: I need a sampler!!!

Amazing how much this got attention (at least in my opinion).

I was looking at the octatrack by electron too, I just wonder how much UW and Octa haves difference? I saw one where Octa had alot of trrrr and wryryryry and such, so does Uw have this same ability and does Octa allow you to record from devices too?

Exs looks neat, but how is it different from elektrons?
I ask alot because I don't know anything yet, I just want to create something like this, but abit more complex, unexpected and trrr'ish soundscape, so does he have samples in patterns he just triggers, and once again, does WU work this way?

AAAAGH!?!?

Also thanks everyone!

Edit: Also, even if these haves piano roll abilities (I think), is there a difference between using midi-out keyboard as a controller or trigger samples from keys any different?

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Old 16-04-2012, 09:08 PM   #9
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Re: I need a sampler!!!

The main difference(s) in the Machinedrum and the Electribe is with the Machinedrum you never have to stop playback. You can do all of your resampling on the fly. The Machinedrum is also a full fledged drum synth where as the Electribe is just a sampler / sequencer only.

If you want immediacy the machinedrum is it, as you don't have to sample anything unless you decide to. And again it's a drum synth so you have complete freedom with all of the sounds and it sounds fucking great in a really awesome digital kind of way.

My experience with Elektron boxes is limited to my monomachine but I can tell you it is a joy to use. Aikighost would tell you different as I believe he had then sold his monomachine and is about to do the same with his octatrack and return to the ESX. But I won't speak anymore for him.

The elektron boxes also have what is called parameter locks meaning each step in the sequence can be modified on its own with any of the avl. effects, lfo's, filters etc.

Something similar can be achieved with the Electribe ribbon controller / arp but I can't speak as to it's depth yet...

I say yet because I recently picked up the ESX, due to not having enough dough for the Machinedrum, but I haven't used it as my memorycard has yet to be delivered.

If you have the cash get the MD/UW and if you don't like it jnust resell it as they hold their value extremely well.

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Old 16-04-2012, 09:11 PM   #10
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Re: I need a sampler!!!

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They are really nice and clear, listen to lots of demo sounds, download the manuals and read the quickstart sections, look at youtube tutorial videos, they will all help understanding the capabilities of each machine.

I'd personally go for a Machinedrum, I had a ESx and it didn't click with me BUT I saw people doing amazing stuff with theirs.

Most importantly, take your time to decide then take your time to learn the machine inside out, that will make the difference

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Old 16-04-2012, 09:48 PM   #11
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Re: I need a sampler!!!

Machinedrum seems really tasty for the resampling. and I love how it haves more control over samples when performing, at least what I've seen so far, I just wished more bigger memory capacity (or then I'm just ridiculous.)

Last question, can I record while I have beats ongoing? I saw that you could lock a single pattern to just add it filters and such, so I guess it could be possible to record and edit the sample on top of the beat, without or with tempering the whole thing.

UW is on top of the list atm.
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The main difference(s) in the Machinedrum and the Electribe is with the Machinedrum you never have to stop playback.
Im not sure where you got the impression you cant sequence on the fly with the electribes? The work perfectly well without ever stopping them.

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You can do all of your resampling on the fly. The Machinedrum is also a full fledged drum synth where as the Electribe is just a sampler / sequencer only.
Em only if you dont know what you are doing. the ESX is a fully fledged synth in actuality if you program it right.

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If you want immediacy the machinedrum is it, as you don't have to sample anything unless you decide to. And again it's a drum synth so you have complete freedom with all of the sounds and it sounds fucking great in a really awesome digital kind of way.
Not true at all the machinedrum is very limited in itsa sound IMHO. It has a very particular and "dead" sound to it in my opinion. The ESX actually has a far nicer sound and the EFX are far more fun than the MDs are.

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My experience with Elektron boxes is limited to my monomachine but I can tell you it is a joy to use. Aikighost would tell you different as I believe he had then sold his monomachine and is about to do the same with his octatrack and return to the ESX. But I won't speak anymore for him.
Yep sold both my monomachine and machinedrum as they both sound very dead and digitaly cold to me.

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The elektron boxes also have what is called parameter locks meaning each step in the sequence can be modified on its own with any of the avl. effects, lfo's, filters etc.
As do the electribes, its just called a "motion sequence" on the electribes.

One final thing to note about he ESX is that a second hand one it coasts roughly 1 quarter what a second hand machinedrum with sampling does.

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Im not sure where you got the impression you cant sequence on the fly with the electribes? The work perfectly well without ever stopping them.
With the playback thing I said when resampling.

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Em only if you dont know what you are doing. the ESX is a fully fledged synth in actuality if you program it right.
At the end of the day the ESX is a sampler not a synth but no need to split hairs here I guess.

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Not true at all the machinedrum is very limited in itsa sound IMHO. It has a very particular and "dead" sound to it in my opinion. The ESX actually has a far nicer sound and the EFX are far more fun than the MDs are.
This is great news to me and I'm really looking forward to actually getting to use mine here in a day or so.

And fair enough on all the rest of your post.

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