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Old 21-07-2013, 02:37 PM   #41
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Re: How do you drum?

I have a drum rack with a Sampler on the C1, with 128 different kicks and a select knob, 128 chh on the next cell, 128 snares on the following one and 128 ohh in the next one.
This way I can just load that drum rack and start the fun and automate the changes in samples...
The snares cell actually has two samplers with 128 each, for mixing different type of snares.

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Re: How do you drum?

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This too is a solid approach. I have a few friends who use the same method.

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Old 22-07-2013, 05:37 AM   #43
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Re: How do you drum?

I've had a few years of drumming but finger drumming is another thing entirely.
Simple beats became difficult to get just right, although that may be due to lack of proper tools.

I use my launchpad to work out my drums and touch them up later by realigning them how I originally wanted them.

Much more fun than just clicking a part and duplicating it where I want it, makes good practice too!
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Old 24-07-2013, 09:45 AM   #44
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Re: How do you drum?

At any point in time - I've probably put together drums using a variety of these techniques. Initially as a beginner I would sample a drumlne - drastically alter it - and then place the beat end to end into a playlist. I've also dabbled with the Burial technique of dragging and dropping - this in particular I still do often - I have found that programming complex rhythms isn't always easy for me. Often times I found myself wanting to translate a djembe line into an electronic beat - these weren't always in 4/4 - so dragging was more intuitive than using a step sequencer.

I had hated using my MIDI controller - but it wasn't until recently that I realized I had the latency settings turned up way too fuckin' high - even sustained basslines were lagging in time. I now record a drum line using a MIDI controller with low latency (sounds like shit) and then adjust the settings until the beat is listenable. Sometimes these beats are even chopped and dragged within the playlist. Sometimes I find it to be much quicker.
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Old 30-07-2013, 07:21 PM   #45
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Re: How do you drum?

Just for fun i rigged up some rockband drums to work with fl studio and messed around with some chiptune samples like that. That kinda sparked an idea to make the toy actually usable say in a performance. I'd select my samaples and play them in time with the song or i could record them and use the drum pads to trigger other stuff.
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Old 03-08-2013, 05:46 AM   #46
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Re: How do you drum?

I set the samples to my axiom pads in battery and then finger drum it all teh way!!! (of course I always go back and touch stuff up... I don't have robot precision!)
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Old 06-08-2013, 05:12 PM   #47
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Re: How do you drum?

Until now I was prgramming my drums. But now I haw a controller for my new projects. And also I tried to use iPad as a drum machine.

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Old 12-08-2013, 04:19 AM   #48
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Re: How do you drum?

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I feel like I'm the only one who still loads samples in the sequencer and clicks notes on a screen for my drums.
hehe no i do that too!!

Also to the OP - I don't think there is anything wrong with admitting drums are not your strength! It is definately NOT one of my strengths either. Drum loops can be extremely effective if used legally and properly. I've seen some amazing stuff by professionals using drum loops. It all depends on you I gues and your preferences..

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Old 12-08-2013, 04:37 AM   #49
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Re: How do you drum?

I have a Yamaha electronic drum set. What I do is set up the brain to MIDI out to my AI, then adjust it in my DAW. For the sounds I either record random sounds, different taps with drum sticks on different materials (I have nineteen different types of drumsticks from being in the drum line back in high school), or I just make the sounds using layers in a soft synth. I prefer recording sounds and adjusting them though, and recording the same sound multiple times because it always sound slightly different, then using them interchangeably to keep the percussion moving.
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Old 14-08-2013, 09:45 AM   #50
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Re: How do you drum?

I have an Alesis studio USB drum kit and I basically record with Addictive Drums. From there, I just literally go in and edit each hit manually. I usually avoid quantizing because I sometimes like to intentionally keep certain segments of the track slightly "offbeat" just to keep things sounding a little more realistic. I usually finish editing everything in the piano roll and then copy each part to a new track (e.g. separate the kick, snare, toms, and cymbals as their own tracks) but honestly, I never really do much with these tracks. It's mainly just so I can more easily add delays and reverb. But otherwise when I'm not literally drumming, I just use a sequencer.

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Old 19-08-2013, 10:41 AM   #51
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Re: How do you drum?

Thanks for all the replies guys, I have been going through this thread a couple of times and they really helped

I have been trying placing all the samples manually on the grid and I tried using midi with samples in the drum rack. Both were okay I think, just not completely as I'd want it... I dunno
I'll be trying out Addictive Drums the following days (finally have some more free time ), looks promising and perhaps a bit more in line with what I'd like to do...

I'll keep on trying stuff, perhaps you'll see something appear in the LB sometime...

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Old 19-08-2013, 11:13 AM   #52
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Re: How do you drum?

Hello, maybe if you could divide your drumming patterns into Verse/Chorus/Bridge then play differently at each hence more drumming patterns... Hint: have the main pattern looped at 8 bars (with Kick, snare, hi hat,shaker, tambourine...) then alter the pattern at the chorus (now on the grid) by adding more percussions or by playing a different pattern for the same (hi hat/ shaker) used at the verse just so the song could have more varience in terms of rhythm from percussions. Always make sure you have each drum on it's lane within the DAW....that way it will be easy to alter each on the grid and it also makes it easy to control gains, panning etc........
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Old 19-08-2013, 11:16 AM   #53
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Haha, don't have a chorus/verse structure

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Re: How do you drum?

it was for the sake of explanation only, the common song structure is Verse/Chorus/Verse/Chorus and mostly Pop songs have Bridge...so what i meant was, for your verse you can have a certain pattern, then at the chorus, slighlty alter that pattern to your taste.......
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Re: How do you drum?

I played the drums for 4 years which helped me out heaps.


If you are struggling to find samples/sounds that fit together, picture your drums in a sense of a band and visualize how each sound would be played.

Busing and grouping your tracks with universal effects and changes will help everything fit together well. When you control all your drum sounds together they begin to take on the same feel.

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Re: How do you drum?

Two things....

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Hello, maybe if you could divide your drumming patterns into Verse/Chorus/Bridge then play differently at each hence more drumming patterns... Hint: have the main pattern looped at 8 bars (with Kick, snare, hi hat,shaker, tambourine...) then alter the pattern at the chorus (now on the grid) by adding more percussions or by playing a different pattern for the same (hi hat/ shaker) used at the verse just so the song could have more varience in terms of rhythm from percussions. Always make sure you have each drum on it's lane within the DAW....that way it will be easy to alter each on the grid and it also makes it easy to control gains, panning etc........
The main key to making this work effectively is a lead in. Most of the time when I change my beat and just change it, out of the blue with no prior notice, it's clunky. It happens too fast and doesn't ever seem to fit. So, what you'll want to do is pull a hit, or two, or three, or four (whatever works, there's no rule here, so long as you use your ears) from the new part back into the old before the new part totally hits. Nothing serious, just a few hats or snare hits that start a few counts before the end of the old and lead in to the first few counts of the new.

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Haha, don't have a chorus/verse structure
Chorus / verse has been done and done to death, so I think you're on the right track, if you can figure out ways of keeping it interesting throughout the work. My previous statement still applies about lead in's though. I try and stay away from verse chorus too, but I use them all the time, in all manner of things, not just drums.

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Re: How do you drum?

I feel dwarfed by everyone in this thread, but I like using the step sequencer and samples if you know what I mean. I have iMashine on my ipod, I could F around with that too, but it aint the same as the real thing.
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The main key to making this work effectively is a lead in. Most of the time when I change my beat and just change it, out of the blue with no prior notice, it's clunky. It happens too fast and doesn't ever seem to fit. So, what you'll want to do is pull a hit, or two, or three, or four (whatever works, there's no rule here, so long as you use your ears) from the new part back into the old before the new part totally hits. Nothing serious, just a few hats or snare hits that start a few counts before the end of the old and lead in to the first few counts of the new.
That's actually really good advice. It's actually something pretty obvious, just something that you'd forget to do

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Chorus / verse has been done and done to death, so I think you're on the right track, if you can figure out ways of keeping it interesting throughout the work. My previous statement still applies about lead in's though. I try and stay away from verse chorus too, but I use them all the time, in all manner of things, not just drums.
I would actually love to make a bit more chorus/verse one day, just having two (or more) blocks that alternate. I like music that goes back to a previous point and repeats it but way better (like Brain Ear J Slug for example )
My music always ends up having a linear flow...

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Re: How do you drum?

i start off by playing my darbuka, then i would record some snippets of it into my mobile phone recorder, transfer it into live library and then i would either:

a) convert it into MIDI (sometimes the result is awesome, usually it's just shitty)

b) warp it and play with editing capabilities for hours, applying effects and so forth

then i would layer all that with my existing (some will say more normal sounding) library and program my beats by sequencing.
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I keep struggling with drums and percussion in general, I would love to use more drums but I always get discouraged way too fast. I tried a couple of methods: drum racks, placing samples manually on the grid, trackers (a little bit); but none of them really worked out for me (partly because I'm quite lazy sometimes).
But now I really want to pass this barrier for good.
I try to defeat DAW laziness by actively thinking like a sound engineer every moment of each day. Also, I try to do at least a few musical things each day, even if it's only sorting my DAW's files. That way, when it's time to work on music, something somewhere is already done.

I make my own readymade kits and mix and match them. Because of this, I primarily stay at the same 5 BPM's so I can mix and match with ease.

Typically I combine step sequencing, WAV grid placement, and resampling/editing of rerenderings.
Editing everything over and over again on the grid is how the pretty variations come about. I work mainly with audio even if the source was a MIDI VSTi.

For MIDI input, I like using auto-quantization of the input at a 32nd note resolution so that I can do triplets if I need to. But I have to use good timing of my muscles for that.

Other times, and moreso in the near future, I use FLstudio's step sequencer of WAV files. Using a large enough pattern size, good patterns can come about. I try to only use my own custom-made processed drum sounds.

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