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Old 04-08-2012, 08:12 AM   #1
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Dave Smith Instruments Evolver(any) vs. Native Instruments Massive

Dave Smith Instruments Evolver(any model)

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Native Instruments Massive


Had a friend argue for no reason about how godly Massive is to me, and doesn't believe that I create all my music on Hardware except for Maschine and Absynth.

What are your thoughts?

These synths are extremely similar to functionality if you really sit their features side by side.

I favor the analog sound, which my friend is convinced vsts sound better and fuller than analog gear.


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Re: Dave Smith Instruments Evolver(any) vs. Native Instruments Massive

Why would you ever forgo your own opinion and buy something your friend believes is best?
Get whatever you're happy with.
If you like using hardware then definitely get the Dave Smith.
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Re: Dave Smith Instruments Evolver(any) vs. Native Instruments Massive

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Dave Smith Instruments Evolver(any model)

vs.

Native Instruments Massive


Had a friend argue for no reason about how godly Massive is to me, and doesn't believe that I create all my music on Hardware except for Maschine and Absynth.

What are your thoughts?

These synths are extremely similar to functionality if you really sit their features side by side.

I favor the analog sound, which my friend is convinced vsts sound better and fuller than analog gear.

Let's here your comments!
I believe your friend has once and for all ended the analog vs digital debate.


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Old 04-08-2012, 10:01 AM   #4
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Re: Dave Smith Instruments Evolver(any) vs. Native Instruments Massive

Make a sound with a filter envelope and a bit of resonance on both, slowly open up the filter on both, see how shitty massive's filters sound

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Re: Dave Smith Instruments Evolver(any) vs. Native Instruments Massive

There is no answer, preferring a sound is a purely subjective thing. You can't objectively measure how good a sound is.

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Old 04-08-2012, 12:01 PM   #6
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Re: Dave Smith Instruments Evolver(any) vs. Native Instruments Massive

You can't win on an analog/software debate, it all boils down to personal preferences,.
I even like some Virtual analog synths, even though I know they're just software in fancy cases.

I own an Evolver too and I love it, I wish I had an Evolver keyboard or a poly Evolver.

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Re: Dave Smith Instruments Evolver(any) vs. Native Instruments Massive

All synths whether they are virtual or analog all have their own characteristics and personalities.



That is why you can never compare them to each other. Just find the sound you like and what you can work with.

I personally have a mix of both vst's and also analog gear. It is the way to go man....I hate clicking all day

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Old 04-08-2012, 01:51 PM   #8
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Re: Dave Smith Instruments Evolver(any) vs. Native Instruments Massive

Hand one person an Evolver and one person Massive...who knows what you will get...maybe two great sounds, maybe one, maybe none.

IMO, Massive is a bit hype because all the "filthy" producers use it. And I agree with Steeboo, I've heard the filters have a certain undesirable flavor.

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Re: Dave Smith Instruments Evolver(any) vs. Native Instruments Massive

Well Skrillex uses massive so it must be far superior.

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Re: Dave Smith Instruments Evolver(any) vs. Native Instruments Massive

Your friend is an idiot.

only advantage VSTs have over hardware is that they're more convenient, no cables to deal with, to recording audio.

next time he tries to argue this, shake your head and change the subject. The synth with the more skilled programmer/player behind it will sound best, regardless of what kind of synth it is.

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Re: Dave Smith Instruments Evolver(any) vs. Native Instruments Massive

^Also price : )

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Re: Dave Smith Instruments Evolver(any) vs. Native Instruments Massive

I have my own opinion and this isn't a what to buy thread lol. I own both Massive and the Evolver Keyboard, I had the keyboard for live performance mostly, and used massive and other vsts to produce....then i bought a soundcard and maschine and my vsts get almost no use.
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Re: Dave Smith Instruments Evolver(any) vs. Native Instruments Massive

my favorite thing he brought up...."does your synth have a scream filter? does your synth have parabolic shift" and the best one, "yea i guess you have an lfo but can you pitchshift with it?"

my response ...."we should probably change the subject before i tell you what i really think about your music."
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Old 04-08-2012, 05:39 PM   #14
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Re: Dave Smith Instruments Evolver(any) vs. Native Instruments Massive

Massive is one of those tools I just never got. I have it but never use it, just like I have abelton, but almost never use it. It is all preference. Forget the hype, and remember, its YOUR music! ;-)
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Re: Dave Smith Instruments Evolver(any) vs. Native Instruments Massive

My personal opinion regarding Massive is that it's "BABBYS FRIST ZNYTH!"-deluxe. It's laid out with a great interface, a good batch of presets, and it really does a decent job of teaching you the basics of synthesis. It does go deeper than that, yes, but I believe that most people that get beyond the basics move away from it in favour of options such as Alchemy, Absynth, Omnisphere, et cetera.

It's a fairly decent quality basic softsynth. That definitely does not justify the price tag, but who cares, most starting producers tend to torrent their toys anyway or buy a package deal, such as Komplete. I'm honestly somewhat glad that NI provided a stepping stone like that, although if I said that I'd also have to thank Dubstep for making all the COOL KIDZ interested in producing.

But yeah: It's nothing special. It has some fun features, but for most duties I would choose something else. If you have it and find use for it, good for you, but I don't think it's a synthesizer that goes deep enough for me to force myself to use it in order to discover something spectacular. (Unlike, say, Absynth, which doesn't cease to amaze.)

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Re: Dave Smith Instruments Evolver(any) vs. Native Instruments Massive

LOL@ "does your synth have a scream filter?"

@Blingley: I think that is a really accurate estimation of Massive. Funny thing is, I think FM synthesis and FM8 probably account for more of those popular dubstep/electro sounds than Massive does.

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Re: Dave Smith Instruments Evolver(any) vs. Native Instruments Massive

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I have my own opinion and this isn't a what to buy thread lol. I own both Massive and the Evolver Keyboard, I had the keyboard for live performance mostly, and used massive and other vsts to produce....then i bought a soundcard and maschine and my vsts get almost no use.
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Re: Dave Smith Instruments Evolver(any) vs. Native Instruments Massive

You can't compare DSi evolver with Massive.

One isnt better than the other their both different.

Do what I do and buy both.

I prefer softsynths when I produce music instant recall etc can't beat it,

However when I want to play live or generally just want a good satisfying tweak then you cannot beat hardware.

Buy hardware synths & softsynths, and let the half brain know it alls argue out the toss.

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Re: Dave Smith Instruments Evolver(any) vs. Native Instruments Massive

all software synth vsts are emulating hardware synths...maybe not emulating an exact synth, but you are creating a virtual platform to do what hardware does...and i'll say this, anyone who thinks massive has the best subbass, try doing it on an evolver. I have neighbors across the street calling to tell me to turn it down...(i don't use subbass to much in my mixes, as i prefer the bass guitar or low strings sound more, i'll use subbass to compensate for removing some freq clash between middle c instruments and low c instruments. Helps get rid of that mud but still provides a smooth low end.)

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