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pavleas 20-07-2016 01:08 AM

How to criticize your own music like a normal listener?
 
Biggest problem i have is that whatever i create i think it's great. How can I criticize my own music like a third person? I know it sounds stupid, but are there any questions you should ask yourself when creating music? I can't spot small mistakes in my music until someone tells me, then it is clear in my ears what minor mistakes i have. Any tips for noob producers like me?

Narukami Music 20-07-2016 01:47 AM

Re: How to criticize your own music like a normal listener?
 
Unless you have amnesia, being able to completely remove yourself from your music is impossible :p We're all at least a little bit proud of our work. We spent a lot of time and energy creating it. We also know everything about that song from the start, all the way to the end. Of course, we're gonna be a little bit proud of it.

Anyways, these don't always work but these little tricks give me a different perspective on my tracks, which is always helpful. I like to listen to tracks on different types of audio systems, away from my main studio monitors. I'd listen to the track on studio headphones, cheap earbuds, iPhone speakers, car speakers, shit $10 speakers I bought from Tesco or someone else's earphones. This lets me hear my music from a different perspective and allows me to make adjustments accordingly.

Another thing you can do is compare your songs to other music that sound similar to yours. How do the drums sound? How do the synths sound? What does that song do to keep the listener engaged? Sonically, does your song sound close to your chosen reference tracks? At the very least, these reference tracks can help guide you towards a better song.

Finally, just leave your song alone and don't listen to it until a few days later. Coming in with a fresh ear always helps. Makes you realise what's right/wrong with your track.

Honestly, I know this isn't the "right" answer to your question but having friends whose opinion you trust is the best thing you can do to get criticism from a third person. Some people can give really shit opinions when it comes to music that isn't critical or remotely helpful. Hell, your own opinions about your own music could also be shit. So knowing people who can properly analyse your tracks is really helpful. I've fixed so many shit tracks thanks to this. You're in a music forum! I'm sure you can find someone who can help you :)

666 20-07-2016 01:50 AM

Re: How to criticize your own music like a normal listener?
 
It's less stupid than you think.

I've wondered this myself, quite a bit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narukami Music (Post 1406594)
Finally, just leave your song alone and don't listen to it until a few days later. Coming in with a fresh ear always helps. Makes you realise what's right/wrong with your track.

I feel like the 1-2 year mark usually tells all. Too bad you can't use a time machine after each track

Numerical 20-07-2016 01:56 AM

Re: How to criticize your own music like a normal listener?
 
The buddy system. i always run new tunes by the vocalist of my project and he's pretty knowledgeable about production and can give constructive criticism. Always helps me figure out things from a new perspective.

Narukami Music 20-07-2016 02:01 AM

Re: How to criticize your own music like a normal listener?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 666 (Post 1406595)
I feel like the 1-2 year mark usually tells all

This is actually really true though, hahah!

Tsachi 20-07-2016 02:11 AM

Re: How to criticize your own music like a normal listener?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 666 (Post 1406595)
I feel like the 1-2 year mark usually tells all. Too bad you can't use a time machine after each track

That wouldn't work because it would still be your current self listening to the same track, but just two or however many years from now

jbvdb493 20-07-2016 03:51 AM

Re: How to criticize your own music like a normal listener?
 
Wow I dint expect this thread to get technical about time travel!
Seriously tho, a few weeks off from listening and listening in the car, earbuds, other speakers etc as already mentioned is key IMO.

Blingley 20-07-2016 04:58 AM

Re: How to criticize your own music like a normal listener?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pavleas (Post 1406591)
Biggest problem i have is that whatever i create i think it's great.

Whatever I create I think is garbage.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pavleas (Post 1406591)
How can I criticize my own music like a third person?

Internalize [Only registered and activated mad cunts can see links. Click Here To Register...] and just assume it is trash by default.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pavleas (Post 1406591)
I can't spot small mistakes in my music until someone tells me, then it is clear in my ears what minor mistakes i have.

Making music in the first place is the mistake.

D42K732202 20-07-2016 07:09 AM

Re: How to criticize your own music like a normal listener?
 
listen it after 2 days

deadmau7 20-07-2016 04:18 PM

Re: How to criticize your own music like a normal listener?
 
2 days isn't enough for me really, but I agree ^. Give it some time without listening to it at all, then come back to it.

D42K732202 20-07-2016 05:51 PM

Re: How to criticize your own music like a normal listener?
 
some times even few hours are enough, depends how many time you spent, more you spend easier you get used

joem 20-07-2016 05:56 PM

Re: How to criticize your own music like a normal listener?
 
that bits shit.that bits shit that bits fucking awful that bit sounds alright. shit shitter and shittest thats whati say when im finished.

Nystagmus 20-07-2016 08:52 PM

Re: How to criticize your own music like a normal listener?
 
I've noticed that if I sit in the room and wait while a person listens to my tune, I get a new feeling for which parts are too long. Time flows differently for the composer. For the listener, they don't know what comes next, so sometimes they are just waiting and waiting, and then the part comes. There might be some subtle variations happening during the waiting time, but all that effort to make that subtlety might be irrelevant to the listener, so they just wait.

So if you sit in the room with them while they are kind enough to hear the whole tune, you might find yourself feeling impatient. And that's a good thing, because it let's you notice the flow of your tune more honestly.

Kyrpto 20-07-2016 08:57 PM

Re: How to criticize your own music like a normal listener?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 666 (Post 1406595)
It's less stupid than you think.

I've wondered this myself, quite a bit.



I feel like the 1-2 year mark usually tells all. Too bad you can't use a time machine after each track

Yes this seems to help the most. After not listening to your own track for a while it will kinda "reset" your ears so to speak. This is probably the closest to unbiased as you can get.

mnkvolcno 20-07-2016 10:42 PM

Re: How to criticize your own music like a normal listener?
 
i'm shocked that someone hasn't suggested getting stoned yet. lol. it works.

not 100% effective cause you might get way into it and it actually sucks. But on the other hand, there have been a bunch of times I got high and listened to something and been like.. omg wtf is this crap I'm listening to.

i don't really smoke weed tho. But I got through little phases every now and then

666 21-07-2016 07:06 AM

Re: How to criticize your own music like a normal listener?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by D42K732202 (Post 1406725)
some times even few hours are enough, depends how many time you spent, more you spend easier you get used

That sounds more like ear fatigue wearing off

chasedobson 30-07-2016 01:57 AM

Re: How to criticize your own music like a normal listener?
 
just be like...


"uh, it like...not really my thing, but its nice"

Numerical 30-07-2016 02:45 AM

Re: How to criticize your own music like a normal listener?
 
I dont have to work at it. When that initial rush of 'wow this is fresh, and wow this is awesome' wears off I immediately go into "wow this sucks, and wow this sounds too much like ____________".

Jaded 30-07-2016 05:49 AM

Re: How to criticize your own music like a normal listener?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chasedobson (Post 1407671)
just be like...


"uh, it like...not really my thing, but its nice"

My favourite used to be something like, "Oh! Is this one of yours? Oh... nice."

Nystagmus 30-07-2016 07:13 AM

Re: How to criticize your own music like a normal listener?
 
haha that comment about having a time machine to back-edit tracks is genius, mr 66six


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