The philosophy thread (reminder philosophy is not politics nor conspiracy theories)

#224

Nicely said – I like your style of writing and making a point! :stuck_out_tongue:

Honestly though.

#225

drunk philosophy 101.

#226

Everyone has a shadow…

And by shadow I mean thoughts, ideas, desires that people don’t express to each other.

The funny thing is that for the most part people’s shadows are almost similar…

However some people are too much shadow…or are too much the opposite…

Being too much of either or can create an imbalance and can lead to bad personal conduct…like the overly righteous zealot who claims to be doing God’s work unable to see their own sins and trangressions…or the amoral person that lives by moral relativism…etc…

By recognizing your own and others shadow…it may help with things like curing your own addictions, overcoming bad habits, making sense of trauma, etc…

By knowing and understanding the shadow a person can overcome their own folly by being less an unconscious slave to their own desires…and keep themself in check.

Also knowing and understanding the shadow, it can help a person defend themselves from others who are ruled by both their shadow and the shadow of others.

The goal is to know and understand the shadow so that you don’t become someone’s else slave or so that you do not become the worst version of yourself…and the most important part is overcoming the paralysis/helplessness that is spurned by fear and anxiety in regards to the shadow.

#227

Be your own person.

Masculinity…
I feel like a lot of the stuff out there is just a bunch of nonsense because if you think about it a lot of peoples parent used an Xbox or Playstation or a TV to babysit their kids…while working 2 jobs.

I feel like if parents had the time to discuss these things with their children…people wouldn’t be searching for a bunch of crap on the internet from some “charlatans” and “users” as guidance.

When self help has a political agenda it’s mostly crap.

Feminism…
From what I gather my guess it’s like a person has to put up with a bunch of dicks.

Although the shady people should be called out.

Holding the door open aka common courtesy isn’t a perogative to fight over…there are other things more important things.

Do this, do that, wear tight pants, don’t wear tight pants, be this or that way, blah blah blah
do you…it’s your life, you live your life nobody lives your life for you.

In regards to both some people are just spoiled brats…

Also there is Lots of shit, so think and figure things for youself, and you do you.

#228

A general post but inspired by @bfk’s earlier post.

It’s kind of tragic, the idea of a machine which values and seeks balance, but by its own wiring converges off-centre, all the while unknowing of the absolute limits of its adaptation, and from a vantage point where self-manifested failure looks the same as a failure at the limit.

Is it better to try and forever fail, or fear failure and never succeed?

Or try and forever fail unknowing of whether it was self-manifesting or if the absolute limit has truly been reached?

Not the kind of success or failure where one “reaches” the end, and completes the game, but the successful launching of oneself on a trajectory of positive evolution.

I should add, I don’t feel like my situation is anywhere near as dire as this – it’s relatable, but I’m getting there.

However, I do know many people who seem to be caught in such a conundrum, and it really is tragic to witness.

I’ve said before, but it’s these kinds of things in which AI and advanced medicine would save so much suffering. If the specific regions of the brain that cause the dysregulation can be identified, and the appropriate medicine synthesised, I think a lot of problems would be helped by this. Super intelligent AI scanning our brains, and generating bespoke medicines for the individual.

If, for example, violent criminals are given the voluntary choice between a long-term prison sentence; or, combined with some form of reintegration therapy, the treatment, and perhaps permanent curing after successful reintegration, of the root neurological cause of the behaviour – this could really reduce a lot of violent crime and suffering.

It’s not just violent criminals though, it’s the potential for the curing of almost any psychological ailment.

It makes me wonder how many of these people would accept that. Part of me thinks that at some level they recognise their own situation and just how dire it is, and if given the opportunity of a permanent way out, could escape into the life they’ve always wanted, I think many would jump at it.

It might take a few years in prison for them to come to terms with it, and try it.

Medical science and AI just aren’t there yet.

#229

@psyber Your post is the plot of clockwork orange I think.

#230

Ha! That’s funny, though not surprising I guess, being a human trope.

I’ll check that film out!

#231

edit: SPOILER WARNING :wink: : I’d say you can read Clockwerk Orange more generally like that, but imho it’s not about healing in any causal sense of getting to the core of a sickness, but more about a brute form of symptomatic/behaviorist reconditioning.

#232

This. It’s a Kubrick/Orwellian capital punishment version of the Pavlovian effect as a solution, while providing a commentary about consequence and ego.

#233

Saw the movie…didn’t read the book…
From what I remember the pavlovian conditioning as capital punishment didn’t work because the main character in the end his nature wasn’t changed he just exhibited a different set of behavior.

The character was a criminal ran a criminal gang and got caught… for his transgressions towards not functioning in society as a normal citizen…he was a rebel yet criminal because he did what he wanted but yet didn’t or had no regard for others.

One could argue the pavlovian conditioning was criminal in itself alongside the behavior of the main character.

#234

Speak your truth…if some like it and some dont

Needless to say you’ll find out who your friends are.

#235

Can’t tell people who they are supposed to like they like who they like.

#236

Conclusions from reading and light casual research from social media.

Relationships, feminism, masculinity.

Lot of garbage.
Lot of logical fallacies.

Better of reading a book than looking at social media.

Anyways.
Masculinity:
Con:
Masculinity is not misogyny. Some of the stuff I’ve seen is misogynistic cause it tries to science everything female. And from what I see it is a bad attempt cause for every type of female behavior statistically there maybe a male equivalent. And some behaviors aren’t specific to a gender like why people break up or cheat on each other…etc.

Pro:
The trick to being a man is to be your own man. Also there is some stuff that is anti porn which I agree with because it states how it turns people into the worst version of themselves.

Feminism:
Con:
Some of it is just angry to which im just like ok what do you want me to do kill myself because I’m a man…would that please you?

Pro:
women are people too…men seem to forget that sometimes. Would write more but don’t want to be mansplaining.

Relationships:
Find your own grove some people you will match and some you won’t. There will be ups and downs. Keep trying don’t give up. Make the best of what you’ve got. I can’t say anymore because relationships work differently for everybody there is no single magic formula or philosophy.

I’m gonna stop posting about this subject cause. Too tiring and It’s getting to a point where there is no point…just trying not be ignorant.

#237

A fascinating bit of human psychology on many levels… a genius film production.

#238

I still haven’t watched it. I may do that this today, I fancy watching something.

#239

It’s tricky isn’t it. I think it can be reasonably argued that certain traits are more likely to be found in either males or females, of varying relative difference, small and great.

However, it can be argued philosophically that despite this correlation, it does not necessarily follow that those traits are specifically male or female traits.

Still, when interpreting the behaviour of the masses, these statistical tools are very useful and lead to many insights.

I think that’s the problem: when people try to use tools designed to address a plurality on an individual basis.

As you say, “there is no single magic formula or philosophy”, which applies broadly everywhere!

#240

Jung has had a huge influence…

I see some of his ideas have contributed to some aspects of western spirituality.

#241

I find it interesting that he went through a period of intense neurosis, and yet was able, at the same time, to maintain the self-awareness, honesty and will-power to record his experiences, and effectively research his own illness, and volunteer himself as his own guinea pig.

That takes a very special kind of mind to as deeply as Jung did.

He told a story of a time when he was a child, and sat on a rock in some family members garden, and questioned the true meaning of what it means to be rock, and whether or not there was really any true differentiation between him and the rock, or the rock and him.

#242

Some of the stuff I see is just rage from people mad at either gender because they come across a few users and are beside themselves.

In my own situation I’ve experienced something similar but which is why I’ve been researching these topics…so that I wont have a toxic attitude about it. Because playing the blame game is a cop out.

Why blame someone who used to like you but then decided that they didnt…

And it could be that you did something to them or they did something to you…or a perceived slight or whatever…

or some people just wake up and start shit and cause drama for the sake of causing drama…as a result of their inner world not being at peace.

Men are more physically threatening than women…
But women have to be manipulative and smart out of necessity because men are more physically threatening than women to women.

Because there is a lot of morons and maladjusted psychos and scrubs out there on both sides.

It’s easy to become a misogynistic because all women you’ve come across get creeped out by you…it could be something as simple as a wrong vibe.

I’m using you generally not personally…idk it’s my writing style not attacking anyone.

I mean if you a straight male see some gay guy eye fucking you for no reason and trying to hit on you for no reason how would that make you feel…and imagine that this happening while your in prison.

Some guys try to get around this by playing white knight or by being super understanding or claiming to be male feminists…

Truth is you can’t force someone to like you…if they do they do if they don’t they dont…just accept it and don’t get mad.

Maybe workout and better yourself and stop looking at porn or something.

And do something interesting like a learn a new skill or take up a hobby and maybe be more intuitive and receptive towards vibes.

And learn how to be an overall interesting and better person.

Other thing

Jung I’m still reading I’m up to his thoughts about the path of individuation…

#243

Defo, nicely put. This is precisely why I try to first make the assumption that I’m in the wrong, and figure out if that’s really the truth. I fail sometimes, but… you know, it’s about making sure our intentions are pure and not hiding behind “accidents”.

I know, it’s depressing. One of the reasons I avoid bars and pubs is because so many people are just so out of it that they have zero self-awareness and ramble about their drama and argue over pointless shit, many do that sober, but fuck me does it all come out in the wash!

It’s ironic that in the aim to be more liberal some manage to reason themselves into an authoritarian – you can justify anything so long as you hold the right axioms!

Ha! Well, you’ve read more Jung than me. I’ve only read excerpts of his texts in other texts and articles.

Most of what I’ve learned about Jung have come from some interviews with him, and various talks and lectures (good ones – loads of whack on the internet too).

So many fucking things I’d like to read, but I find it hard to commit to reading… something about ADHD, needing stimulation in multiple senses, et cetera blah excuse blah…