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Old 04-07-2012, 01:10 AM   #1
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Icon6 Super simple multiband sidechain tutorial

I put this little tutorial together a few minutes ago. I'm doing all of this in Ableton Live, though the overarching ideas can be applied to any other DAW environment

This technique is best used on bass sounds when you want your drums to punch through.

I failed to mention the compression settings in the tutorial.. basically all there is to it is a fast attack and mid release. Beyond that, it's all about what allows the drums to hit past the bass.

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Old 06-07-2012, 08:14 AM   #2
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Re: Super simple multiband sidechain tutorial

That's a really cool way of creating multiband compression - thanks heaps for that! I've just been using Live's multiband dynamics processor, but that doesn't give you the option for ducking like your way does.

On the topic, if you are running multiband dynamics processing across your entire mix, or at least a drums/bass grouping, to help get your kick to stand out a bit more in the mix set an attack rate of about 20m/s or so - it will allow the attack of the drum to cut through before the compression kicks in. If you combine that with kick-sidechained compression on the bass you will get a really punchy low end.
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Re: Super simple multiband sidechain tutorial

That's a lot of knowledge for a 2 minute read. Thanks
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Re: Super simple multiband sidechain tutorial

Yeah man. Never really looked into using multiband sidechaining but I might mess around with it after reading this thread and that pic. Thanks bro
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Using this tutorial right now for my new track, thanks for the post.
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Old 08-03-2013, 01:11 PM   #7
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Re: Super simple multiband sidechain tutorial

That's cool thanks. Even though I would probably use the multidynamics tool in ableton to split the frequencies. Using this will avoid the frequency overlap you get when using filters or the EQ.

I tested this when I tested splitting freqs on basslines. I tried it with EQs and with the multidynamics tool in Ableton.

When adding the 3 frequency bands (with no FX) they only sounded the same as the unsplit signal if I used the multidynamics tool. Whenever I did this with Filters or EQs it sounded different to the original due to the frequency overlap of the bands.

Here's a short video on using the multidynamics tool instead:

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Re: Super simple multiband sidechain tutorial

Just tried this on a track I'm working on which already had normal s/c compressors on both the bass and leads. Put these chains on both channel strips then A/B'd with the original compressors and this certainly sounded better. Definitely helped the snare come through.

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Re: Super simple multiband sidechain tutorial

Short and sweet, saved for future reference. Thanks!
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That's cool thanks. Even though I would probably use the multidynamics tool in ableton to split the frequencies. Using this will avoid the frequency overlap you get when using filters or the EQ.

I tested this when I tested splitting freqs on basslines. I tried it with EQs and with the multidynamics tool in Ableton.

When adding the 3 frequency bands (with no FX) they only sounded the same as the unsplit signal if I used the multidynamics tool. Whenever I did this with Filters or EQs it sounded different to the original due to the frequency overlap of the bands.

Here's a short video on using the multidynamics tool instead:

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The multiband dynamics tool leaks frequencies aswell, I'm not sure if it overlaps just as much as the auto filter, tho.

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The multiband dynamics tool leaks frequencies aswell, I'm not sure if it overlaps just as much as the auto filter, tho.
Depends on the filter. If you use a plugin with a steeper rolloff curve it'll have less overlap. There's no way to have 100% clean frequency cutoffs in real time so there will always be overlaps :| besides, the technique I'm showing is essentially the same thing the multiband tool in Ableton does internally.

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The multiband dynamics tool leaks frequencies aswell, I'm not sure if it overlaps just as much as the auto filter, tho.
weird... when I tested it myself it sounded exactly the same as the original sound.

I did a pretty straight up A/B test by simply activating and deactivating the the effect chain. Heard absolutely no difference...

Have you tried it? I think I might have to test this again while looking at a Spectrum... I'll post the results if anyone other than me cares...

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weird... when I tested it myself it sounded exactly the same as the original sound.

I did a pretty straight up A/B test by simply activating and deactivating the the effect chain. Heard absolutely no difference...

Have you tried it? I think I might have to test this again while looking at a Spectrum... I'll post the results if anyone other than me cares...
Yes, I just tried it. I split the frequency at 300 with two multibands, it seems like it lacked a bit just around the 300 mark.
But i tweeked around with some distortion and EQ and actually came around with a sound I liked, so I don't really care.
But it's something to keep in mind.

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Yes, I just tried it. I split the frequency at 300 with two multibands, it seems like it lacked a bit just around the 300 mark.
But i tweeked around with some distortion and EQ and actually came around with a sound I liked, so I don't really care.
But it's something to keep in mind.
OK thanks. I just found that it sounded better than when I tried splitting freqs with filters or EQ.

I'll keep that in mind though. Still at work so couldn't test it myself yet (not that I don't believe you...)

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