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Old 23-09-2013, 09:54 PM   #1
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Audio Files or Midi Files

Well this is my question, i have seen lots of different famous producers videos/tutorials/previews and i always see that most of the time on their DAW session they use audio files, for like kicks, drops, keys etc and i find it weird that almost all of them use this technique in stead of just using a vst of whatever with midi notes. Is there a specific reason to do this?
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Old 23-09-2013, 10:05 PM   #2
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Re: Audio Files or Midi Files

Can be for multiple reasons really. Those audio files could be bounced down from vst plugins, I can imagine that they would completely bounce a finished song into stems. Perhaps they have a bunch of external synths they record? Perhaps they just like to bounce something faster?
Drums in separate audio files or in midi is just a matter of preference, (just like everything basically).

It's not better or worse, it is just the workflow you have.

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Old 23-09-2013, 11:39 PM   #3
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Re: Audio Files or Midi Files

Well with drums that midi will sometimes trigger audio so it's not too different. With synths I'd guess it's just easier on the cpu and ram to bounce it down to audio once they have the patch nailed down. They can always turn off the midi channel and keep it just in case it's needed again.

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Old 23-09-2013, 11:54 PM   #4
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Re: Audio Files or Midi Files

I just prefer audio. And I save many versions of my project files so I can always go back. I run into way less surprises with audio. A lot of complex modulation FXs evolve somewhat randomly over time. If you want to capture and repeat certain moments you need to record and use audio.

I also prefer destructive editing so audio is preferable in that way as well

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Old 24-09-2013, 12:31 AM   #5
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Re: Audio Files or Midi Files

Compo with midi..then bounce to mangle..

many many takes...

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Old 25-09-2013, 03:24 AM   #6
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Re: Audio Files or Midi Files

this prob doesn't make sense but... lets say I have a MIDI track, what benefit would I get by exporting this as an audio file and then inserting it back into the project? speaking from Logic point of view... having it as an audio file would mean I could time stretch it and so forth as well though..

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Old 25-09-2013, 03:43 AM   #7
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Re: Audio Files or Midi Files

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this prob doesn't make sense but... lets say I have a MIDI track, what benefit would I get by exporting this as an audio file and then inserting it back into the project? speaking from Logic point of view... having it as an audio file would mean I could time stretch it and so forth as well though..
Practically you are saving CPU and you are committing to a choice. Otherwise its preference.

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Old 27-09-2013, 06:35 AM   #8
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Re: Audio Files or Midi Files

Freeze tracks?
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Old 28-09-2013, 08:58 AM   #9
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Re: Audio Files or Midi Files

What Numerical said. it takes a shitload off of weight off the CPU.

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Old 28-09-2013, 04:24 PM   #10
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Re: Audio Files or Midi Files

I use Cubase and I often find MIDI rendered bouncedowns to be less accurate than audio ones. So, when I'm ready to commit, I'll remove most effects, render to audio, add the effects into the audio tracks and mix. This would work better if I were ready to commit on more projects!

There are also certain techniques that only work on audio.
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Re: Audio Files or Midi Files

I just wanted to make a quick point...

MIDI is only data..which is why it saves CPU cycles.MIDI doesn't know if its being used to trigger a VST or hardware synth or FX unit or a lighting rig for that matter.

Just wanted to make a quick clarification for our younger producers/musicians ho may not understand the difference.Not implying that they don't just clarifying for those who ma not know.

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Old 30-09-2013, 10:26 PM   #12
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Re: Audio Files or Midi Files

I always try to commit!

synths etc that arnt bounced down are just an invitation for unnecessary tweaking.

I always mute and turn off the vst and keep it in an 'archive' folder on cubase just in case.
Audio is so much easier to work and chop etc
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Old 30-09-2013, 10:31 PM   #13
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Re: Audio Files or Midi Files

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I always try to commit!

synths etc that arnt bounced down are just an invitation for unnecessary tweaking.

I always mute and turn off the vst and keep it in an 'archive' folder on cubase just in case.
Audio is so much easier to work and chop etc
This is personal preference, there is no rule or single advice that counts. I like to keep everything in midi for a while, makes it easier to change stuff depending on the new parts you add.
You can't completely predict what way your track will be heading to so it can be nice to keep your options open imo.

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Re: Audio Files or Midi Files

MIDI is like water, audio is like clay. When the MIDI is "frozen"/rendered via the VSTi, then it becomes like clay that can be molded into something more interesting. right?

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Old 01-10-2013, 06:28 PM   #15
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Re: Audio Files or Midi Files

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MIDI is like water, audio is like clay. When the MIDI is "frozen"/rendered via the VSTi, then it becomes like clay that can be molded into something more interesting. right?
I like that! there is definately alot of things you can do once its clay audio you cant do whilst midi (or easily anyway).

But then again when you bounce down you lose control of filters, envelopes etc, things to make a sound interesting in a track
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Re: Audio Files or Midi Files

I allways bounce to audio. I started doing this after i got tierd of my old tracks not loading properly if i didnt have the old au/vst's i was using at the time. Also, audio files are universal and you can switch daw and load those old tracks.

Another thing is that if you want to scoulpt the sound, move bits around, reverse stuff, catch the tail on a sertain effect, then you need to be in audio.

In audio we trust.
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Re: Audio Files or Midi Files

My projects are pretty much 95% midi, but I'm not as chop glitch destroy happy as some others on this forum. That being said...this thread has gotten me curious and now I'm gonna bounce a ton of shit and see how it goes.
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Re: Audio Files or Midi Files

in my case:
- external gear always goes to audio. i sometimes save midi files for later, but i don't actively work off of those. they're sort of like a backup that i will never expect to work.
- soft synths say in midi up until i start layering effects, then i 'save as' and start bouncing.
- maschine always says as maschine. i may sounds onto different tracks for mixing, but i don't really render these until i'm satisfied with the full drum pattern for the song and then feel like i should start glitching manually and doing specific manipulations that can only be done with audio.


basically, all my sketches are midi + external gear audio recordings.
as soon as i start figuring out structure and trying to make a coherent piece that's more than a jam/sketch, then i start to bounce.

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Re: Audio Files or Midi Files

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MIDI is like water, audio is like clay. When the MIDI is "frozen"/rendered via the VSTi, then it becomes like clay that can be molded into something more interesting. right?
MIDI is like beer. Audio is like pizza.
Sometimes you just have to have both.

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MIDI is like beer. Audio is like pizza.
Sometimes you just have to have both.
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