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Old 15-02-2017, 02:36 PM   #21
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Lol nope silly jaded is jaded..
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Nah, it's more like having no enthusiasm for something because it's just the same old shit all over again.

I picked up the nickname when I was around 15 because I was hanging out with dudes in their late teens and early twenties and heaps of times when we were playing choons someone would be like "Oh this track's sick." And I would be like, "Yeah, if it's still 1992 and acid house was still a thing."

Then they'd ruffle my hair and be all like, "How the fuck did you get so Jaded when you barely even shave dude?"
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Old 21-02-2017, 05:32 AM   #23
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I'd contact 2ndMOUSE. He used to be a member of this forum, and he's still on GearSlutz.com from time to time.
From what I remember, he finally got a good paying musical job and he was always pretty good about promoting his stuff. He's also on SoundCloud.

I'm thinking about signing up with BandCamp eventually too. 6 dollars in two months is still almost a nice free sandwich from Subway For a poor person like me, that's still useful money.

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Re: Making money off your music?

I already let doing something I love for money spoil my passion for it once (designing and developing websites) ... so I have literally 0 interest in doing music for money.

This is just me though, I totally understand wanting to make money doing something you love, I'd just warn people to be careful about getting too far removed from the actual part they love.
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Old 21-02-2017, 09:27 PM   #25
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"This fake ass industry gotta pay to get a song on the radio
Really though, DP's gon' let you know
It's just a game of pimps and hoes
And it's all 'bout who you know
Not who we are, or how we grow
I rap 'bout what I know, what I go through
What I been through, not just for no dough
Even though the rent due, what I'm into ain't for no dough
Or just no fame, everything must change, nothin' remains the same
Sick of the same ol' thang, it's bigger than bling bling"

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Old 22-02-2017, 12:13 AM   #26
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Re: Making money off your music?

just demand money for nothing and eventually it arrives :notafinga:
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Old 22-02-2017, 04:59 PM   #27
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Re: Making money off your music?

There's many ways to make money with your music, from what I've read these are the most plausible ways of getting revenues with your music:

  • Music licensing (Check for Musco Sound for an example of a successful music licensing business operated by one musician)
  • Sample packs
  • DJing/live shows
  • YouTube ads (i.e.: you could show how you made a track)
  • Sponsored YouTube videos (Klayton aka Celldweller does that successfully)
  • Patreon
  • Bandcamp
  • Kontakt loop based instruments
  • Blogging with affiliate links (i.e.: you show off a track and link to affiliate products you have used to make the track)
  • Small shows (i.e.: playing at a coffee shops, I've seen people making good money with a lean and efficient model to get revenues from small venues like this)
  • Private shows for a small crowd following (works well for many musicians, especially singers)


Depending on the kind of music you make, some models are better than other. One guy doing great from (almost) strictly online revenues is Klayton (aka Celldweller), but he does the kind of music most normal people wants; songs with lyrics and a strong pop sensibility (even if it's heavy metal or dubstep music). For singles/albums, songs are easier to sell than instrumental. However, instrumentals are good for licensing and soundtracks for films and especially video games.


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Re: Making money off your music?

  1. put on a fucking hat
  2. sell it
  3. invest in 100 of dollars of merchance
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Old 07-03-2017, 06:04 AM   #29
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Re: Making money off your music?

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How many of you actually make money off your music?

I've been making music for five years now, and everything I've released has always just been free. I decided two months ago to at least throw up a donation link on all my tracks and social media outlets.

I made $6 in two months haha, so basically nothing, but it got me thinking... I guess you really can make some money off your music. The thing is, I don't really have a reach with people, as I always assumed you kind of needed if you wanted to make money from your music. No reach = Nobody even knowing about your music.

What is the best way to get into at least making a little bit of money off your music? I know you can send songs to spotify and if they like it, they will stream it and give you a very small cut every time it's streamed. Which also, can't hurt..

Any suggestions, or advice from people who already are making a little cash on the side would be appreciated. Thanks!
Do you do live shows at all? That's pretty much how most musicians/producers make money anyway. In fact even the famous ones make the vast majority of their money from doing tours.

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http://fortune.com/2015/07/01/quincy-jones-music-qa/

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Before Apple and Taylor Swift and even the Moog synthesizer were born, there was Quincy Jones. Over the last six decades, the legendary composer and former record company exec has amassed 79 Grammy nominations (winning 27 actual awards) and produced hit albums like Michael Jackson's Thriller. Today, he is involved with several projects. One of his latest? An online music-learning tool called Playground Sessions, which recently kicked off a fundraising campaign via Crowdfunder. But his role as co-creator of the self-proclaimed "Rosetta Stone" of music doesn't mean he believes the Internet has had a positive effect on the record industry—a topic he remains as opinionated as ever about. Fortune caught up with Jones to ask for his take on new digital music distribution models and why he got involved with Playground Sessions. Read below for an excerpt of the recent conversation.

FORTUNE: Is the music industry better or worse than it was 50 years ago?

Jones: Honey, we have no music industry. There’s 90% piracy everywhere in the world. They take everything. At the recent South by Southwest [an annual music festival in Austin], they had over 1,900 musicians, but fans didn't know where to go. You can't get an album out because nobody buys an album anymore.

What about some of the newer, online distribution models. Doesn't that give artists more ways to get music to fans?

That doesn't mean anything. They sell 4.5 million albums and they think it's a hit record. It's a joke. We used to do that [sell 4.5 million records] every weekend in the 80s. Today, you don't get paid.

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http://superhypeblog.com/music/be-pr...insider-speaks

http://teamrock.com/news/2016-06-01/...-make-an-album

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Roger Daltrey: There's no music industry anymore, why would we make an album?
Oh, I don't know..for the love of it, Roger..or have you forgotten what it means to make art for the sake of making art?

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Gigs were the only way my band used to make anything, but after gear and rehearsal time etc, we were still down. I feel like sync work is the only way to make cash these days unless you're gigging.
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Or make soundtracks for film and video games.

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Old 08-03-2017, 03:45 AM   #35
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Oh, I don't know..for the love of it, Roger..or have you forgotten what it means to make art for the sake of making art?
I'm sure he does. Probably just doesn't put it out.

I mean, I sympathize with that. I do a lot of music because I enjoy it, but I just let it collect space on a CD-R in my closet or a hard drive under my desk because I just don't see the point in releasing it.

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Old 09-03-2017, 09:06 AM   #36
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I'm sure he does. Probably just doesn't put it out.

I mean, I sympathize with that. I do a lot of music because I enjoy it, but I just let it collect space on a CD-R in my closet or a hard drive under my desk because I just don't see the point in releasing it.
Yeah, but I mean, come on..the guy is loaded and he says he can't afford to put an album out? That's bollocks..he just doesn't want to, which is a totally different thing.



"But he tells Rolling Stone: "We've talked about it, but it's not going to be easy. There's no record industry anymore. Why would I make a record?

"I would have to pay to make a record. There's no royalties so I can't see that ever happening. There's no record business. How do you get the money to make the records? I don't know.

"I'm certainly not going to pay money to give my music away free. I can't afford to do that. I've got other things I could waste the money on."



Everything he's saying is based on or about making money..there's nothing in there about making music for the love of it. It's easy for people who've made it already to start knocking the Net..and while he's right about not making sod all online, it's a bit fucking condescending tbh to imply getting a large following online means nothing..as if, be direct implication, anyone making music and putting it out there online aren't really important musically.

As much as I might agree with him, this is just a case of "sour grapes"..he wants things to be like they were before, but the world has moved on and the whole music industry is in an on-going state of flux..things are changing and everyone involved needs to wear more than one hat these days. It's not enough to just make music..you need to dip your toes into the murky waters of marketing, sales and advertising, too.

While the old model of the music industry may be dead, I sincerely don't think the music industry is dead itself, just currently transforming..something I think Roger just doesn't want to face up to.

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I don't think I'll ever earn any money for a living with music ^.^ Good promotion, many listeners is what would be my goal. For people to want to hear my new song.

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Yeah, you really need to add touring/gigging into the mix if you want to make anything nearly serious, money-wise.

If not, then it's really very much as case of the odd sale here and there..maybe a little more if you're offering some sort of merc and have a large enough following..but for most of us, it really is a "for the love of the art" kinda thing.

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Yeah, but I mean, come on..the guy is loaded and he says he can't afford to put an album out? That's bollocks..he just doesn't want to, which is a totally different thing.
Yeah shame on him not wanting to make music after making music for 50 years. How dare he retire?


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Everything he's saying is based on or about making money..there's nothing in there about making music for the love of it. It's easy for people who've made it already to start knocking the Net..and while he's right about not making sod all online, it's a bit fucking condescending tbh to imply getting a large following online means nothing..as if, be direct implication, anyone making music and putting it out there online aren't really important musically.
Well yeah. It's his job. And the simple fact is that if he made an album, a lot of people will make money from exploiting the work.

The reality is that the people who make the most money off of recorded music are almost never the people who recorded the music. So yeah, it's very easy to sit outside of a creative industry and judge people for their attitudes towards their work without considering the fact that it is work. But you have to ask yourself: how would it make you feel to have a bunch of greasy cunts leaching off your hard work?

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As much as I might agree with him, this is just a case of "sour grapes"..he wants things to be like they were before, but the world has moved on and the whole music industry is in an on-going state of flux..
I don't think there's anything sour about it. I notice the same attitudes in a lot of professionals as their careers progress... and I think a lot of the things that professionals do "for the love" earlier in their careers are really calculated business decisions in aid of their own advancement. Ask the same person who's doing the same ten years to volunteer to do the same work and they'll say, "No."

I think when you've done something a hundred times it's easy to do it another 100. But 1,000? 10,000? At some point doing the same thing over and over again starts to drain you. And I can also say that I reckon of all the musical legends I've met, only about 10% LOVE the music, 15% LOVE the life, then the remaining three quarters are a mix of not caring or being employed.

Like when I met one of my idols and I was talking to him about his music he told me that it wasn't really his style and he didn't really like most of his work and touring bored him... but it pays his bills, feeds his family and gives them shelter. Same with some of the old guard of Detroit. A lot of those guys you don't need to talk to them for very long to know that they don't really give a toss.

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things are changing and everyone involved needs to wear more than one hat these days. It's not enough to just make music..you need to dip your toes into the murky waters of marketing, sales and advertising, too.
Yeah I think that's bullshit.

If you're great at music you should spend your days working on being great at music. Half of the reason the average quality of music is sliding lower and lower each year is a direct result of this "jack of all trades" mentality. The net result of this logic is that the people who end up having successful careers in the industry are actually less qualified in their primary role.

And yeah, I honestly think the music industry's been dead for at least a decade... Logic being that any industry which produces a specialised product but has a structure which rewards people with generalised skill sets is FUBAR.

The industry should reward great musicians and enable them to sit in rooms all day practicing their art without worrying about the bullshit.

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While the old model of the music industry may be dead, I sincerely don't think the music industry is dead itself, just currently transforming..something I think Roger just doesn't want to face up to.
Yeah but the new model doesn't produce musical products. It produces lifestyle products, of which music is a component. And I don't think there's anything to really face up to now.

And fuck, I think there's not much that Roger really needs to face up to re the music industry, because he's spot on in his sentiment. And, I kind of agree, because it's utter shit that someone 20 years old today who would follow the same career path as he for the next fifty years will never ascend to his heights...
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Also, if you want to understand the mentality to you need to truly have a successful career as a rock / electronic band / musician, watch the Thin Lizzie doco - Bad Reputation. Their branding, work ethic and attitude towards music is what you need.

Only 1% of musicians are rock stars... The 99% are blue collar workers.

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