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Old 02-09-2012, 04:33 PM   #21
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drum loops that are programmed on a one shot basis, not chopped up loops. In other words, using actual drum fills and patterns that a real drummer would used but obviously sequenced electronically.
I'd look specifically into techstep/skullstep for what you are describing. It's more techno/industrial-focused programmed breakbeats. The vast majority of breakcore is just smashed up amens, the above-reference genres are a bit more what you are describing.

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Old 02-09-2012, 10:02 PM   #22
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I'd look specifically into techstep/skullstep for what you are describing. It's more techno/industrial-focused programmed breakbeats. The vast majority of breakcore is just smashed up amens, the above-reference genres are a bit more what you are describing.

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these days lots of skullstep has morphed into crossbreed wich is more about industrial distorted kickdrum but you can find lots of stuff in the back catalogue of label like Freak records

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Old 03-09-2012, 09:36 AM   #23
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Re: Most complex drum programmer?

Isn't that choped amens ? esp. Limewax is exactly that. I don't see how this is built as a drum line with breaks and fills and how it's any complex.
Ok it may have a weird time signature and/or time division but I see no subtlety to it and any special attention given to the programming.
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Old 04-09-2012, 06:29 AM   #24
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the one just before mine
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Old 04-09-2012, 06:02 PM   #25
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Isn't that choped amens ? esp. Limewax is exactly that. I don't see how this is built as a drum line with breaks and fills and how it's any complex.
Ok it may have a weird time signature and/or time division but I see no subtlety to it and any special attention given to the programming.

complex is not equal to subtilety in my book. there is lot of edit, lots of velocity edit especially wich make making a beat like this really complex.
give it a try and you'll see that it's really time consuming and complex to make a beat that flow this way. there is also lots of production tricks to make drum this phatt !
In fact you have to think like a real drummer to make drum like this otherwise they won't flow (in a wierd way though)
but i can understand it's not music for everybody as its pretty dark and heavy and actually really harsh

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Old 04-09-2012, 06:39 PM   #26
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but i can understand it's not music for everybody as its pretty dark and heavy and actually really harsh
absolutely not what I meant - not impressed by that side of stuff at all
I'm gonna give it a deeper listen later ; but it felt pretty raw to me

edit : listening now, still not buying it. Whatever, man

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Old 12-09-2012, 05:46 PM   #27
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Re: Most complex drum programmer?

Venetian snares hands down the most complex rythmically,not only does he make use of odd time signatures but he also phrases them strangely makes use of polyrythm,syncopates and heavily uses triplets sometimes all within one track.His extremely fast bpms also tend to mean that when youve listened to 10 r 20 seconds of a track its more diverse complex programming rythmically than youd hear an average dnb artist do in a whole album...thats not an exaggeration!For people not used to this level of detail and variation it can sound random and noisey,i assure you its the opposite of random though.


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Old 14-09-2012, 08:21 AM   #28
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complex is not equal to subtilety in my book. there is lot of edit, lots of velocity edit especially wich make making a beat like this really complex.
give it a try and you'll see that it's really time consuming and complex to make a beat that flow this way. there is also lots of production tricks to make drum this phatt !
In fact you have to think like a real drummer to make drum like this otherwise they won't flow (in a wierd way though)
but i can understand it's not music for everybody as its pretty dark and heavy and actually really harsh
I've actually tried to do a song using only loops and chopped up loops and think it is way harder to do anything half decent than to program everything using single hits. Regardless of genre.
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Old 22-09-2012, 09:25 PM   #29
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Re: Most complex drum programmer?

Xanopticon by a light-year. Nearly everything he makes is ridiculous.

If we're talking exclusively in DnB, probably Lucio de Rimanez and Current Value's older stuff, and on occasion Limewax.
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Old 01-10-2012, 06:31 PM   #30
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Re: Most complex drum programmer?

Venetian Snares for breakage, Xanopticon for synthetic stuff.
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Re: Most complex drum programmer?

In DNB, possibly Current Value and definitely Evol Intent & Ewun. Other genres, I can't say off the top of my head.
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Old 03-10-2012, 03:09 PM   #32
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yeah xanopticon makes some weird beats!
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Old 06-10-2012, 02:33 AM   #33
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Here's the thing though. I find IDM style drums to be interesting and certainly not predictable, but that's not what I'm looking for in this case. I do believe it's the right sub forum still, but honestly I'm happy to hear anyone's suggestions from other genres, even ambient and big beat could work for me.

What I'd really love to hear is drum sequencing that sounds like it's generally coming from a conventional kit (not glitch sounds) sequenced the way a real drummer might play but still having the slight unrealistic nature that comes with computer sequenced drumming. The thing about chopped up breaks is, they sound like chopped up breaks. I like that in certain situations but not here.

I apologize for making this so specific and unusual. I'm sure this doesn't apply to the vast majority of electronic music but there must be something similar out there.

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Here's the thing though. I find IDM style drums to be interesting and certainly not predictable, but that's not what I'm looking for in this case. I do believe it's the right sub forum still, but honestly I'm happy to hear anyone's suggestions from other genres, even ambient and big beat could work for me.

What I'd really love to hear is drum sequencing that sounds like it's generally coming from a conventional kit (not glitch sounds) sequenced the way a real drummer might play but still having the slight unrealistic nature that comes with computer sequenced drumming. The thing about chopped up breaks is, they sound like chopped up breaks. I like that in certain situations but not here.

I apologize for making this so specific and unusual. I'm sure this doesn't apply to the vast majority of electronic music but there must be something similar out there.
i think photek was one of the best drum programmers in D&B, not necessarily overly micro edited, just very good and clever grooves, that sound like they could be real, but are actually very hard to play live... But then people like Jo Jo Mayer were inspired by him and tried to emulate it with real drumming - pushing the art of drumming further.


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Re: Most complex drum programmer?

yeah I dig that photek. And alot of the other ones. I use sampler, so for me to do that style would mean, say one kit. But it is a big kit, with pitch variations and velocity layers. So might be only 16 pads but its 30-40 sample variations. Add amp envelopes, maybe be subtle LFO or pitch envelope on some timbres, like china hats, then through subtle reverb and compression to get a room sound to glue it together. That might take me a while then it just takes forever programming it. That is what blows me away with this stuff, because I know what is involved, sure software is involved a lot to, that helps. I cut and paste and try and change at least something every bar, then again and again. But kit variation is good to. i like the method I use because i can change the sample kit at any time to change things up or get a totally different sound with same beat.
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In my opinion Venetian Snares hands down
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Drukqs is the first thing that came to mind when I think complex drums, looks like a few others here thought the same.

ASC does some quality dnb. Im def gonna check out venetian snares, heard alotta good stuff bout him on this forum

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This is the Drum & Bass forum right? How in the hell did The Roots get mentioned before Remarc?



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