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Old 10-01-2018, 02:22 PM   #1
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Electronic music isnít real music...

how we all tire of this stupid clichee. In fact, we all know that the same underlying music theory apply. When confronted with the statement, show the offending party this:

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Old 10-01-2018, 10:17 PM   #2
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Re: Electronic music isnít real music...

He chose some shitty EDM tracks for that, though. I was hoping he was going to do aphex twin or something crazy.

The video still goes from technically proficient down to pop mush, so if anything this is a good demonstration of music going downhill overall

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He chose some shitty EDM tracks for that, though. I was hoping he was going to do aphex twin or something crazy.

The video still goes from technically proficient down to pop mush, so if anything this is a good demonstration of music going downhill overall
Not sure I agree with that. But to see Tchaikovsky and Eiffel 65 featured in the same video is rather peculiar.

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Old 11-01-2018, 01:21 AM   #4
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He chose some shitty EDM tracks for that, though. I was hoping he was going to do aphex twin or something crazy.

The video still goes from technically proficient down to pop mush, so if anything this is a good demonstration of music going downhill overall
I donít know, if someone heard the video with out the societal and historical background they wouldnít be able to differentiate the styles or say which is better.
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Old 11-01-2018, 04:19 AM   #5
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Re: Electronic music isnít real music...

It's comparing apples and oranges really. Lets face it you won't go to a rave to listen to Bach, the same as you wouldn't go to a concert hall to sit and listen to Avicci. I'm not defending either, as I hate that EDM tag and really have little interest in the music that goes with it. I look forward to the day I see Iron Maiden walk out on stage in tuxes and sit at pianos, not.

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Old 11-01-2018, 04:23 AM   #6
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People who don't consider electronic music to be music they uhh hmm... uh they're not like, how to say...




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Old 11-01-2018, 07:20 AM   #7
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Re: Electronic music isnít real music...

There's only 12 notes, unless you're microtuning, and it's the same 12 whether you're Beethoven or the Avicii. That said, there is a difference in technical proficiency, and there's something to be said for historical significance too. It could be argued that Beethoven scared subsequent musicians off of the symphony format he was so damn good, and if I can even comprehend what he did from a musical standpoint (or stay awake through it, for starters), I'd feel accomplished as a musician. Of course, there are electronic artists you can say the same about (Aphex Twin, I'm sure, is on many people's short list). It's a matter of history, I suppose, which isn't on our side in all regards yet, but will be in time. I'd say give it 30 years tops and people won't be able to deny that electronic music is music as much as anything.

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Old 11-01-2018, 11:47 AM   #8
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I think it's worth remembering that Beethoven's music received mixed reviews when it was first published and performed.

Newspapers didn't exactly have concert-reviews as we know them today, but if you dig into preserved correspondences from the time, it becomes clear that some considered his symphonies "absurd and discordant". Especially the unconventional orchestrations seems to have upset people at first, although many changed their minds about it later.

"Real symphonies" at the time generally meant "in the style of Haydn" btw.
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Old 11-01-2018, 12:24 PM   #9
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Re: Electronic music isnít real music...

I sometimes wonder what someone like Mozart would have done with the tools we have today.
In a way, composers were limited by the sounds contemporary instruments could generate. Mozart was one of the few (I may be wrong here) to embrace this and composed for the glass armonica. With no confines to the sort of sound one can produce, it makes you wonder.

Maybe we have lost the sophistication of finely layered motifs that evolve as they get picked up by sections of an orchestra and evolve, but we have also gained a wider repertoire. While not everyoneís cup of tea, I would argue that Alva Noto, Ryoji Ikeda, or Pan Sonic do have a wholistic artistic vision. Id love to go to visit one of Ryoji Ikedaís installations, when I get a chance. 4 to the floor isnít where things should necessarily be judged.

Iím also thinking about Pete Namlook, Steve Reich, and Robert Rich. Brian Eno. Apollo is sonically a masterpiece that evokes the very pictures we all have seen of the Apollo moon landing. As always, great artists connect on an emotional level. And as much as we still listen to Stairway to Heaven, there are similarly iconic pieces in electronic music.

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Maybe we have lost the sophistication of finely layered motifs
Short answer, no.
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Old 11-01-2018, 04:42 PM   #11
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Re: Electronic music isnít real music...

Are people still even making this argument? That electronic music isn’t real music? I mean besides rock god devotees working at Guitar Center?

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Old 11-01-2018, 05:00 PM   #13
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Re: Electronic music isnít real music...

Also, you're not a real person if you're on the internet.

You're not human if you eat GMO's.

You don't have real feet cuz you wear shoes.

Your dick sucks cuz it has a condum.

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enjoyed the evolution of music he played! thanks for sharing
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Old 18-01-2018, 06:03 PM   #15
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Re: Electronic music isnít real music...

Haven't heard anyone make that argument in a long time.
What this video overlooks is that it's more than just the notes played now, the production and engineering aspect can be just as much part of the artistry now, or even be the main course like with most electronic music.

That guy is intense though, haha
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Old 18-01-2018, 11:18 PM   #16
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Then I guess it's Unreal Musicô.

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Old 19-01-2018, 06:56 PM   #17
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Re: Electronic music isnít real music...

it's inherently soulless/faceless music. yeah that afx twin guy tried to put his face on it, but then after two music videos the music industry kicked his ass so hard he ran off and hid for a few years, dropped a watered down GOAT electronic music album, slagged off a bunch of his old tracks like he needed an excuse to say "anal" then he pretty much spent the business end of the 2000/10s hiding behind "esoteria" until he finally showed up in 2014 like "hey i bet you guys want more tuss" and whaddya know, MORE OLD TRACKS FROM AN OLD MAN.

seriously, this is why my musical heroes are all black guys who say the N word a lot.
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In fact, we all know that the same underlying music theory apply
Ehhhhhhhh.... Mostly?

Different things matter to listeners of dance music than listeners of classical music.

Like he said:

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What this video overlooks is that it's more than just the notes played now, the production and engineering aspect can be just as much part of the artistry now, or even be the main course like with most electronic music.
But also... The same ideas won't always work.

Like as an example, the way early house producers used the chord memory function of synths like the Juno went against conventions of voice leading, but now it's a hallmark of that sound and it went on to influence part of the modern house sound, of course.

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I think it's worth remembering that Beethoven's music received mixed reviews when it was first published and performed.

Newspapers didn't exactly have concert-reviews as we know them today, but if you dig into preserved correspondences from the time, it becomes clear that some considered his symphonies "absurd and discordant". Especially the unconventional orchestrations seems to have upset people at first, although many changed their minds about it later.
That's interesting. Most classical music makes me feel sick to my stomach so I might agree with those tasteless dickheads

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Most classical music makes me feel sick to my stomach
I'm going to assume that's where the Vomit From Above moniker comes from. Vault in the balcony of a rousing performance of Mozart's Requiem.

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