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Old 04-07-2017, 08:02 PM   #1
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Setting up <100hz bass

Hey,

I'm interested in tips on how to make your subbass nice. How to transform muddy, living mud kind of feel subbass into clean, deep, semi strong sound.

Share how you do the bass sounds!

I personally have 2 lines of bass, one is below -80hz+ for subbass other one is cut on HP filter on 100hz for clean high bass frequency.

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Old 04-07-2017, 08:51 PM   #2
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Re: Setting up <100hz bass

mid basss actually starts at around the 145 to 175 (possibly a tad hiogher but you dont want it to then clash with say snare #s or lower ended percussion) mark if you have it any lower at around 100hz its going to clash with other sounds like your kick which usually sits around that frequency.
Also the reason your getting muddyness is your not cutting out the sub bass frequencies from your mid bass thats why the low end is clashing with your sub./
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Re: Setting up <100hz bass

Yea. I try to keep 100-150hz clear for the kick.

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Re: Setting up <100hz bass

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Yea. I try to keep 100-150hz clear for the kick.
I raise 80hz on bass lower around 200hz for kick, and with kick I lower 80hz and raise around 200hz, yea.

I think its more about compression, I'm okay with setting up and EQ. Compression or maybe some other technique to give that stiffy clean feel to it, without to much oscilation in when sub goes 2 notes higher/lower.

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Old 04-07-2017, 09:06 PM   #5
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Re: Setting up <100hz bass

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I raise 80hz on bass lower around 200hz for kick, and with kick I lower 80hz and raise around 200hz, yea.

I think its more about compression, I'm okay with setting up and EQ. Compression or maybe some other technique to give that stiffy clean feel to it, without to much oscilation in when sub goes 2 notes higher/lower.
nope your just not eqing right theirs no such thing as a 100hz mid bass its usually higher.
Kicks in general are around the 85hz (for house kicks) to 95 to 120 for rock and dubsteppy kicks.
200hz is usually where a snare hits can be sometimes lower or sometimes can go as high as 230hz
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Re: Setting up <100hz bass

Here is a track I'm working on right now.

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Bass is on 0:23
Subbass is on 0:30

This subbass I wanna get clean as fuck, you know what I mean? Pumping, clean, low.

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nope your just not eqing right theirs no such thing as a 100hz mid bass its usually higher.
Kicks in general are around the 85hz (for house kicks) to 95 to 120 for rock and dubsteppy kicks.
200hz is usually where a snare hits can be sometimes lower or sometimes can go as high as 230hz
Give a quick listen to that track. I'm not saying I cut them and they have to go 80 200, but generally boosting 1db and lowering cca 1db gives it that nice edge where bass is more to the lower hz then kick.

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Old 04-07-2017, 10:06 PM   #8
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Re: Setting up <100hz bass

have you heard of standing waves?
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Re: Setting up <100hz bass

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Here is a track I'm working on right now.

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Bass is on 0:23
Subbass is on 0:30

This subbass I wanna get clean as fuck, you know what I mean? Pumping, clean, low.
Too high imo.

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Old 05-07-2017, 05:51 AM   #10
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Re: Setting up <100hz bass

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Too high imo.
I agree, but I'm more interested into sub.Your guys technique how you set up your subs.

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Re: Setting up <100hz bass

Sine wave and sometimes additional higher harmonics. Notes played ranging from lower D (around 35Hz) and A (60Hz or something).

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Re: Setting up <100hz bass

I found some useful infos regarding bass treatment on the blog of a drum and bass artist I really like (Lockjaw). He speaks about how he splits the frequencies and also a bit about how he treats the different frequency bands:

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And no, I am in no way affiliated to him in any way. I simply enjoy his music and find the info he shares useful for myself.

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Re: Setting up <100hz bass

I'm just going to ignore specific numbers as that at least somewhat subjective. I wanted to post a longer response before and couldnt, but this is something I've been working on for a long time and don't have a down as well as I would like.

So, most of the tunes I do I usually have a single mono bass track (I might have some midrange growly stuff, but I'll get to that in a moment) and a mono kick track. I pretty aggresively EQ the peak of the kick out of the bass, and the peak of the bass out of the kick--I pay attention to potential overlap early on in sound design and arrangement to avoid issues. Then I'll use saturation and compression to make each of these stand out a bit in their dominant frequency ranges.

Personally I've kind of bailed on side chain compression. Not sure what I am doing wrong, but I don't ever like the sound of it. I may need a better tool than Fruity Limiter.

So, I will often have some midrange growly stuff (dnb, dubstep etc). Unless you get into a lot of side chain EQ and compression you have to make some seirious decisions and sacfrifices. I try to keep some lowend punch under 200hz for those fast attack type hits or they don't have enough enough punch, I like it when those hits kind of hit you in the chest like a big EDM snare does. I will typically use a couple channels--usually one mono and one stereo. This allows me to treat the low end mono and higher end stereo differently and get some nice width while maintaining impact. I have been abusing the hell out of some Brainworx M/S tools. I really like Shread Spread and Saturator from Brainworx. I also try to just a write a tune in which sounds that need low end content don't overlap to much.

Also the age old high pass the shit out of everything else. I dont use an aggresive curve, but I will highpass alot of things into the upper mids. Go listen to old Dillinja tunes. The only reason they move air like they do is bc he high passed the shit out of the other tracks, sometimes even the kick/drums.

Its a real balance to get things sounding good. I often prefer sparse, somewhat wonky tunes, so it kind of works out in my favor. But I don't always do stuff like that. My over all advice is that EQ should start with arrangement and sound design. Before you even load a filter or EQ vst.

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Old 05-07-2017, 08:14 PM   #14
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Re: Setting up <100hz bass

relic use the fruity balance to sidechain via the volume input youll get a much better cleaner sound
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relic use the fruity balance to sidechain via the volume input youll get a much better cleaner sound
Thanks! I'll have too look up how to use that. I feel like that is what I used to do, but lost the knowledge somehow....

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Re: Setting up <100hz bass

I use my ear and search for the resonance that occurs when slapping two waves over each other... i havent figured this method out yet but I have caught on to searching for this... effect, without effects. if that makes any sense.

you can use any synth or sample overlap to acquire this as well, or so I have found. nice thing is, most of the time stuff i find is crap, which also means, few people are exploring these inappropriate or invalid means of synthesis.

What im saying is, break the law, and you will find a new world.
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Re: Setting up <100hz bass

I try to keep the sub area as simple as possible because I don't have the best monitoring environment. Simple sine wave with SC compression to the kick, and a lot of A/B'ing with a reference track low passed at around 150 Hz to get it to sound just the right amount of loud.

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