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Old 28-04-2017, 06:40 PM   #1
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How laptop with a critical is a sound card?

Purchased a new HP laptop which has a reasonable spec with B&O sound (whatever that is).

But how critical is the onboard sound for processing tracks? As I can't upgrade internally I am pretty stuck for options right?

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Re: How laptop with a critical is a sound card?

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Purchased a new HP laptop which has a reasonable spec with B&O sound (whatever that is).

But how critical is the onboard sound for processing tracks? As I can't upgrade internally I am pretty stuck for options right?

Dude, if you're laptop comes with sound by Bang & Olufsen, you don't have much to worry about..it should sound pretty sweet, be that just playing tracks back or recording them in the first place.

For the record, Bang & Olufsen are a Danish company that have been in business since 1925 and were considered the makers of the best speakers / monitors at one stage, though that accolade has since moved on to other holders.

That said, they are still a high-end brand name and nothing to be ashamed of having in your system.

And, yes, the sound card IS important to the over-all sounds you can produce..but, again, if you have B & O sound, then I don't think you have much to worry about. Best way is to put your new system to the test and make some music..then play it back over a good set of headphones and compare the new track with older stuff you've done on your old system..it should be clear pretty fast if there's a difference and if it's a good or bad one.

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Old 28-04-2017, 07:48 PM   #3
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Dude, if you're laptop comes with sound by Bang & Olufsen, you don't have much to worry about..it should sound pretty sweet, be that just playing tracks back or recording them in the first place.

For the record, Bang & Olufsen are a Danish company that have been in business since 1925 and were considered the makers of the best speakers / monitors at one stage, though that accolade has since moved on to other holders.

That said, they are still a high-end brand name and nothing to be ashamed of having in your system.

And, yes, the sound card IS important to the over-all sounds you can produce..but, again, if you have B & O sound, then I don't think you have much to worry about. Best way is to put your new system to the test and make some music..then play it back over a good set of headphones and compare the new track with older stuff you've done on your old system..it should be clear pretty fast if there's a difference and if it's a good or bad one.

Let us know how you get on.
Damn, I have just noticed how retarded this topic title is, geez.

Cheers for that, it does make me feel a little easier about it. I have made something on this laptop but I am unhappy with it although this could be due to my own fault messing up the mastering and levels.

The older PC had a decent Sound Blaster in it, processed quite well (I thought anyway).
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Old 28-04-2017, 07:56 PM   #4
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Damn, I have just noticed how retarded this topic title is, geez.

Cheers for that, it does make me feel a little easier about it. I have made something on this laptop but I am unhappy with it although this could be due to my own fault messing up the mastering and levels.

The older PC had a decent Sound Blaster in it, processed quite well (I thought anyway).
Yeah..the title hooked me in..just wanted to see if it was some kind of shit post, but it obviously wasn't.

Regarding the whole sound thing..you need to get used to the new system, so give it time. Can you PM me the specs of your new system, paying attention to the sound card / audio hardware installed on it and I'll see what I can find out for you.

The thing is you might just have some software audio manager from B&O..rather than a card made by them, in which case that might not be so good..depends on the actually card installed.

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Old 28-04-2017, 10:29 PM   #5
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Yeah..the title hooked me in..just wanted to see if it was some kind of shit post, but it obviously wasn't.
Same. lol

Only thing I'd say is just be careful of possible sound fluff drivers etc that boost bass, surround sound etc that could mess with a mix.

Should be good to go.

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Old 28-04-2017, 10:35 PM   #6
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Re: How laptop with a critical is a sound card?

The built in sound on any computer is substandard compared to even the most basic external interface. There's just not enough room, heat dissipation and processing power for the circuitry required for quality preamps and AD/DA conversion and buffering. It's only there so you can watch youtube videos and Netflix with sound - it's not meant to do any real processing. Anything you record into the mic/line in is going to sound terrible and you'll likely have latency and/or quality issues with processed sound and VST type things.

That said, most of that is dependent on what you're wanting to do. If it works for you, great. If not, pick up a cheap used interface off ebay and get to rockin'.
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The built in sound on any computer is substandard compared to even the most basic external interface. There's just not enough room, heat dissipation and processing power for the circuitry required for quality preamps and AD/DA conversion and buffering. It's only there so you can watch youtube videos and Netflix with sound - it's not meant to do any real processing. Anything you record into the mic/line in is going to sound terrible and you'll likely have latency and/or quality issues with processed sound and VST type things.

That said, most of that is dependent on what you're wanting to do. If it works for you, great. If not, pick up a cheap used interface off ebay and get to rockin'.

Yeah..and as I suggested via PM, give ASIO4ALL a try first, as it can work wonders on a crappy setup..not implying yours is shite in anyway..just saying.

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Yeah..and as I suggested via PM, give ASIO4ALL a try first, as it can work wonders on a crappy setup..not implying yours is shite in anyway..just saying.
Absolutely. ASIO4ALL is amazing in a lot of situations. A bit of turd polish isn't the worst thing in the world and you can definitely get a lot of mileage out of tweaking what you've got when it's all you've got.
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Re: How laptop with a critical is a sound card?

ASIO4ALL is all I've ever used! But yeah, for all your audio outs, I'd go into windows audio settings and disable all enhancements (that's an actual checkmark). Bang and Olufsen is a cool company (I'd like to have one of their older turntables someday), but most audio companies are going to get the actual DAC that does the work from AKM, Sabre, or Texas Instruments. In a laptop, your amps are going to be op amps, probably Texas Instruments as well. B&O just selects components and lays them out to try and minimize noise.

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Re: How laptop with a critical is a sound card?

Interesting and useful feedback, but would this build in card have any substandard qualities for processing/exporting an audio file in Reason (or any other digital DAW) compared to a high end desk top one?

Slightly off topic, but if given the choice for an all hardware set up, would this be better for producing a raw techno sound?
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Old 29-04-2017, 07:07 PM   #11
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Re: How laptop with a critical is a sound card?

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Interesting and useful feedback, but would this build in card have any substandard qualities for processing/exporting an audio file in Reason (or any other digital DAW) compared to a high end desk top one?

Slightly off topic, but if given the choice for an all hardware set up, would this be better for producing a raw techno sound?

Being totally honest, there's a lot you can do with a generic sound card, by means of EQ..but it really is a case of you get what you pay for..meaning no standard card is going to give you the same results as a high-end one will.

Like I said before, give this new system a chance and take it for a test drive and see what you end up with..it's the only way to know for sure just what the in-built sound card can do in a music production setting. Then, when you have something to share, upload it to SoundCloud and we can have a listen and see how it sounds.

But, long story short, don't worry too much about it just yet, as you really don't know what your system can or can't do at this stage. Once you have something produced with this system, then you can really tell if there is anything wrong with the sound..and maybe then think about what steps you need to take at that point.

Regardless, we're here to help..so just come back and keep us updated on how things are going with this..OK?

Regarding an all-hardware setup..the in-built sound card really becomes a moot point, as at that point you're looking at getting an external interface anyway to connect everything to your PC..so that wouldn't be an issue.

The sound you get would really depend on the synths you use to make your music..but the PC you haver should be just fine for hooking up hardware to.

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Re: How laptop with a critical is a sound card?

The actual sound file produced by your DAW has nothing to do with your audio interface. Quality of sounds recorded, and quality of sounds output through your speakers/headphones yes. Latency when playing MIDI Devices, also yes.

That being said, if you are into this whole music making thing - at some point you are going to likely want at least a cheap audio interface.

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The actual sound file produced by your DAW has nothing to do with your audio interface. Quality of sounds recorded, and quality of sounds output through your speakers/headphones yes. Latency when playing MIDI Devices, also yes.

That being said, if you are into this whole music making thing - at some point you are going to likely want at least a cheap audio interface.
I think you better clarify that a little for him/her, OB..that bit about the DAW might be confusing..given you go on to say the quality of sounds recorded and sounds output through your speakers are affected.

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Re: How laptop with a critical is a sound card?

I'd say if you are actually recording instruments either directly or with a mic you'll want a proper interface. The other big concern is, of course, how flat the signal is when it hits your monitors or headphones.

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I'd say if you are actually recording instruments either directly or with a mic you'll want a proper interface. The other big concern is, of course, how flat the signal is when it hits your monitors or headphones.
This here. Just buy an audio interface. They come in hundreds of variations for any budget. It's just a breakout box that plugs in through the USB on your laptop. You'd have to install the drivers and then set your laptop's default sound recorder to be the audio interface but that's fairly easy to do.

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Re: How laptop with a critical is a sound card?

Thanks for all the input on this, id like to think I will invest in an audio interface at some point especially if I will record sounds.

I did find that when recording an old keyboard years ago, the sound was so much more raw compared to digital emulators. As for the processing of audio not being relevant, I understand this now. What is important obviously is hearing your own music and frequencies correct so you can adjust and mix, I guess.
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You seem a bit confused on a few things and terminology.
Have a bit of a read around the forum, we've been through a lot of your questions with people before.
Your equipment has (virtually) no effect on what styles of music you can make.

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You seem a bit confused on a few things and terminology.
Have a bit of a read around the forum, we've been through a lot of your questions with people before.
Your equipment has (virtually) no effect on what styles of music you can make.

No shit mate!, I mean have you seen the title of the topic?

Knowledge is power as they say, must keep reading.

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