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Old 01-02-2014, 04:08 PM   #1
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EQ'ing the amen break for breakcore?

Helloooo internet people!
I have made a few breakcore/chipbreak songs and im starting to get confident making breaks, rolls and pitch changes, but im still confusing about the EQ (first time using this things, im just a LSDJ/tracker user).
The thing is, im using FL to chop breaks and the famous amen, then i throw the loop in the mixer and i use the EQ, im doing it wrong? Its better to EQ the kicks and snare separately from all the other components of the break or its ok if i use the EQ in all the break?

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Old 01-02-2014, 04:13 PM   #2
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Re: EQ'ing amens for breakcore

I am not sure what most Breakcore artists do. But in jungle and drum and bass I dont think people frequency split their chopped breakbeats. Who knows though, people do all kinds of things.

You would get more control EQing things serperately. So try it if you can make it work for you!

Unfortunately, without listening its hard to know if you are doing it wrong. It only matters what it sounds like. Not how you get there : )

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Re: EQ'ing amens for breakcore

i find it's best to try to split your kicks, snares and hats into seperate channels before processing to give the sound more definition...depends what you're trying to acheive though.

i tend to process my drums, then load them into an electribe and play with different arrangements, then mulit-band compress the whole lot at the end to give it some punch
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Re: EQ'ing amens for breakcore

btw i use ableton for anything computer related, and mostly make jungle so the rules may be different for the heavier genres!

for the multi-band i use waves C4, 6 is better if you have it
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Re: EQ'ing amens for breakcore

In breakcore I think it's better to separate each elements of you drum patterns to have more control on it. Well, it depends a lot on what you want. If you want a feel of unity and keep it simple, you can still chop your break and process it on the same track but if you want some more crazy stuff I think it's better to have control on each sample separately
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Re: EQ'ing amens for breakcore

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In breakcore I think it's better to separate each elements of you drum patterns to have more control on it. Well, it depends a lot on what you want. If you want a feel of unity and keep it simple, you can still chop your break and process it on the same track but if you want some more crazy stuff I think it's better to have control on each sample separately
Yeah, in this weeks i was experimenting with breaks and it just depends of the song that you want to do, i did a few with a more simple breaks and it was ok EQing all the loop, but in crazier songs with more complexity you need more control, so it just depends
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Re: EQ'ing amens for breakcore

I usually just roll off the lowend on the break, increase the mids a bit, to get the sanre out, then add another kick to play over the chopped breaks, to make up for the lost lowend. Sometimes I add additional snares, hihats or rides and other perc too, to go with it, just to make it feel a bit fuller.

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I think it can be good to use both racks and the amen break loops.
I edit a lot of amen breaks, mix them with other drum or fx loops .
Then chop them and layer the resulting sounds with my drums (obtained during the years using the same trick).
This sounds go into my drum rack in ableton live and then I layer it on a sampled amen break on wich I put a lot of random fxs (trying to give 'em a sense).
Then export, chop, edit, make the one shots, repeat the process everyday.
Everytime I come up with a new interesting trick, fx or sound that I crafted, I try to layer it on some drums and if I like the result I export it.
I also think that using the random wisely can help a lot to achieve new interesting loops if you don't abuse of it. That means that your final track should always sound the same and not everytime different like for example if you're letting dblue glitch going wild creating a mess.
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Re: EQ'ing the amen break for breakcore?

I pretty much do the same thing as you, I just EQ the entire break and then add whatever to make it sound kewl. It's probably a much better idea to split them to multiple mixer tracks or whatever, although personally that's too much effort for me over something I cant even really notice in the end. Or im just super lazy, who knows. Also I take huge amounts of low end out of my amens for the gabber kicks
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Old 21-08-2014, 12:36 PM   #11
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Re: EQ'ing the amen break for breakcore?

you dont need much at all hell you can do it wioth just 2 bands of an eq just cut with one band to around 80hz and kill off 20000 hz with the other then i like to add a dab of transient shaping aswell to tighten it up simple.
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Old 24-08-2014, 11:44 AM   #12
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Re: EQ'ing the amen break for breakcore?

i just EQ it as a whole. How much depends on the tune . mostly rolling off the low end. sometimes i'll cut a little off the high end. I used to try all kinds of shit to make amens sounds bigger,louder,better and what not. But i learned that just a little EQ'ing and compressing is all it really takes to get it where i want it. I guess it's a matter of preference and the best thing to do is just experiment until you get to where you want to be.
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Re: EQ'ing amens for breakcore

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I usually just roll off the lowend on the break, increase the mids a bit, to get the sanre out, then add another kick to play over the chopped breaks, to make up for the lost lowend. Sometimes I add additional snares, hihats or rides and other perc too, to go with it, just to make it feel a bit fuller.
My technique is similar to Eery's about 40% of the time.
I generally filter out the kick with a 24db hp and boost mid if need (usually resonance makes up for it). Then I will add a separate kick.

The other 60% of the time, I use the whole break with very accurate slices and careful trigger planning for rhythm.
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I actually remove elements from the break such as snares and hats and make more composite waves for space conservation and when utilizing random trigger techniques.

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Re: EQ'ing the amen break for breakcore?

I have definitely fought battles with the Amen break… in general, it seems to lack the low end on the kick so rolling off the bottom end and replacing the kick is one way to go but the major issue with that is that then it no longer sounds like an Amen break. This means boosting the kick pretty significantly and for me it was around 120 Hz. The snare is also missing some of the high end crunch that you get from more current snares so some amount of boosting in the 3.4khz area can also be helpful. At some point I split the Amen break samples into a kick on one track and snare & hats on another but in the end I found I preferred a consistent EQ across both tracks so that turned out to be a waste of time.

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Re: EQ'ing the amen break for breakcore?

Lately i've been splitting up frequencies and processing lo mid and high individually and then busing it all back together. For the low end i've been putting it in mono and making EQ cuts and just keeping it clean. With the mids and highs i've been trying different things with stereo processing and all kinds of stuff like busing the mids and hi's together to process more and using sends.. I really like processing it this way because i can get really precise with eq'ing each part and i feel way more in control. It sounds great and it's a lot of fun experimenting with processing and routing the different frequencies . Also a very effective way to clean it up and get everything sitting where you want it. Not too difficult either !

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Re: EQ'ing the amen break for breakcore?

Theres already a perfect EQ for Amen break made by weyheyhey !!
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Re: EQ'ing the amen break for breakcore?

Try to layer other drum samples with your break to make it pop more.
You could EQ your amen break-channel to make the hats cymbal and ride sound the way you like, then put a new channel with a different kick and/or snare to give it more punch or depth.

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Re: EQ'ing the amen break for breakcore?

maybe buy the original Lycollins vinyl for re-sample the perfect amen break ahah
i have find some good version of this song on yT and i have compared the new mp3 sample with my sample in the library and the second one was inaccurate and close, the new one was better and not so bad in the end ahah but still mp3

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