[jimmusician]

I don't know much about drums. I mean, I know what they are, I can make blast and polka Beats, but as much ear training as I've had in the past, I have difficulty getting those skipping Sorta rhythms that would work well for parts of songs that aren't head-on.


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This song, especially the breakdown when the guitar is doing dive bombs in between tapping, interest me.

Any help would be appreciated.

[joem]

velocity on the double kicks and snares also swing and humanizing helps

[jimmusician]

Yea I was wondering more like if it were 16th triplets or 16ths or if it was some other weird spaced out subdivision.

[jimmusician]

Just to update this.....16th triplets. Those are key.

[Roo Stercogburn]

That gives you a particular swing that is only useful in certain situations and for particular types of music.

A good method is groove quantize to 32nds. It gives just enough variation without ruining the beat. Even if you're working in triplets, it can be enough by itself.

When groove-quantizing, its usually a good idea not to change the velocity on the bass drum, though thats not written in stone. Sometimes its what you need for a particular goal.

Lastly, don't groove quantize the first and last beat of a bar, or if you're doing a multi-bar pattern, the first and last beat of that multi-bar pattern. You can get away with almost anything so long as the first and last beat are in time.

[Chozo Tull]

When talking about djent really jumble those time sigs

7/8, 15/16, 25/16 (7+7+7+4) ... That's also how you land on counterintuitive spots

[ab]

maybe extract some audio, slice-to-midi and check out the patterns. my brain works visually (predominantly), so i find it much easier to visualize it on a midi roll. i am a bad drummer which doesnt help, so this is a neat workaround for me

[jimmusician]

Originally Posted by ab

maybe extract some audio, slice-to-midi and check out the patterns. my brain works visually (predominantly), so i find it much easier to visualize it on a midi roll. i am a bad drummer which doesnt help, so this is a neat workaround for me

I usually just stretch the sound until I get it now. The thing about metal (and Danza recordings in particular) is everything is tuned to be so loud and complex you can't get software to isolate parts (maybe just an FL issue). But the kicks in most material I think are either excellently mic'd or triggered, so I can get that.

As far as rhythm, I notice the rhythm really gets pushed to the crash type cymbals, the kick and snare kind of have a mind of their own in breakdowns because they're composed for attack.

[jimmusician]

Originally Posted by Stercogburn

That gives you a particular swing that is only useful in certain situations and for particular types of music.

A good method is groove quantize to 32nds. It gives just enough variation without ruining the beat. Even if you're working in triplets, it can be enough by itself.

When groove-quantizing, its usually a good idea not to change the velocity on the bass drum, though thats not written in stone. Sometimes its what you need for a particular goal.

Lastly, don't groove quantize the first and last beat of a bar, or if you're doing a multi-bar pattern, the first and last beat of that multi-bar pattern. You can get away with almost anything so long as the first and last beat are in time.

This is true, especially when I'm trying to dissect a breakdown a band used, not an actual song.

32nds I haven't messed around with a whole lot cuz I kinda get the feeling I'm breaking flow of music/creating that "extratone" aesthetic, which would be cool if I'm trying to make noise but I've really been trying to get in the habit of having consistent ideas.

But I do know what you mean, you can create head-on beats with the 32nds. When I was trying to get some of my mojo back, this guy's video helped tremendously
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The thing about djent is no matter what time sig you're really working with, you have to realize that a great deal of what you'll be hearing and accommodating will be that guitar double/triple picking gallop, taken out of context. So the triplet naturally ends up dominating what you do, which makes the video I just mentioned sorta old-fashioned (at least to the 80s/90s lol).

It's kind of funny because I'd typically just machine gun the drums like a moron rather than take the time to think about it. But that original track and a few others by the same artist were pissing me off for a few years.

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[mute machine]

repeat samples a lot, like, as long as it sounds right, keep repeating drums until you get what you want.

[jimmusician]

Originally Posted by UCoB

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Thanks a lot! really appreciate it!

Originally Posted by mute machine

repeat samples a lot, like, as long as it sounds right, keep repeating drums until you get what you want.

lol after a while everything "sounds right".....getting in sync with real instruments is proving to be a real pain in the ass tho.