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Old 17-03-2012, 12:26 AM   #21
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documented signings and writings from members of wax trax.... Thats more than a lot of folk have on here.
I adore Wax Trax! Records, but... what about Industrial Records?

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Old 20-03-2012, 03:42 PM   #22
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Re: tips for writing industrial

I believed that Luigi Russolo was the inventor of the genre in 1913...
"industrial music for industrial people" refers to a comment he makes in his manifesto "the art of noise" saying that old pre-industrial music was over-reliant on chromatic harmony and was developed to suit the lifestyle of farm-workers playing round a camp fire, and a new dissonance based music would more suitable for post-industrial-revolution people.

Anyway pedanticism aside, none of that's important. but you could get inspired by the noise from our industrial world, the city world; factories and machines etc. for example trying to replicate the sound of an engine starting using a synthesiser could create an interesting bassline...

One of the things i like about industrial music is that it's incredibly flexible and can take in flavours and styles from other music. Some skinny puppy verges on insane hip-hop and NIN can shift between straight D&B and piano Victoriana. I great idea would be to listen to what's cutting edge and underground in the music scene today and apply lessons learnt therein
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Old 18-07-2012, 02:36 PM   #23
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Re: tips for writing industrial

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weird human voice alterations (think of all the great female choir vocal samples that pop up on Last Rights, prominently in Love in Vein, Mirror Saw -- that shit is haunting
Hey Michael, (or anyone else) would you happen to know where that female choir vocal sample in Mirror Saw came from?

Been googling but so far no luck.

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Old 18-07-2012, 07:21 PM   #24
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Hey Michael, (or anyone else) would you happen to know where that female choir vocal sample in Mirror Saw came from?

Been googling but so far no luck.
Heh, I have no idea, and unless you ask Cevin directly, we'll probably never know; though with how sampling goes, even he might not remember

it could be from anywhere. I know they (cevin and dwayne) kept a radio in their recording / writing setup to sample from (you can see it in that VivisectVi drawing of dwayne's), so some puppy samples are random radio broadcasts. that mirror saw sample sounds very warped / effected, too. almsot sounds like it could be from a commerical or something....but who knows

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Old 19-07-2012, 02:46 PM   #25
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Re: tips for writing industrial

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Hey Michael, (or anyone else) would you happen to know where that female choir vocal sample in Mirror Saw came from?

Been googling but so far no luck.
I don't know about that particular sample, but there are some choir pads that I am certain would allow you to emulate a sound similar to that one. I agree, It is rather haunting.

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Old 19-07-2012, 03:11 PM   #26
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Well thanks anyways guys. I'm not looking to recreate it. I'm just really curious as to what the original sounds like and where it came from.

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Old 19-07-2012, 04:08 PM   #27
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Well thanks anyways guys. I'm not looking to recreate it. I'm just really curious as to what the original sounds like and where it came from.
Oh, ok..I see. Sorry about that, I sometimes misread things.

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Old 19-07-2012, 04:36 PM   #28
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MHolloway is correct. its all about the sampled content.

if you take the sampled hits (and i dont mean the linndrum samples) out of the tune below it is SUPER boring.

kinda my take on Doubting Thomas or old OLD Delirium (pre Sarah Maclaughlin)

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MHolloway is correct. its all about the sampled content.

if you take the sampled hits (and i dont mean the linndrum samples) out of the tune below it is SUPER boring.

kinda my take on Doubting Thomas or old OLD Delirium (pre Sarah Maclaughlin)

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Though, I do agree with you in certain retrospect, I disagree...Yes samples are predominant in authentic Industrial music...they are not critical (IMHO) a producer is just as capable of making something amazingly original without the incorporation of outside samples....however, in the vein of most traditional "Industrial" tracks, the occasional sample tends to add an extra....flavor if you will.

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Old 20-07-2012, 07:16 AM   #30
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Einsterzen neubaten for example, great sampling
Oh, I totally agree, Einstürzende Neubauten is very well known... for... their... "great... sampling"...
lolwut??? more so for their songs recorded using found instruments. Oh, and the endless wailing scream thing.

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but looses my attention cause its not melodic.

...your argument is invalid!

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Though, I do agree with you in certain retrospect, I disagree...Yes samples are predominant in authentic Industrial music...they are not critical (IMHO) a producer is just as capable of making something amazingly original without the incorporation of outside samples....however, in the vein of most traditional "Industrial" tracks, the occasional sample tends to add an extra....flavor if you will.



The OP was looking to beef up his sound, and complaining that his tracks sound too EBM. He/She also mentioned Skinny Puppy's Too Dark Park and Last Rites as reference points. Sure, you dont NEED to use samples (and im not talking sample libraries or ripping other peoples tracks) but if one wants to get close to TDP and LR era Skinny Puppy, using a bunch of found sounds and samples is going to be the way to go.

did you read the original post??

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The OP was looking to beef up his sound, and complaining that his tracks sound too EBM. He/She also mentioned Skinny Puppy's Too Dark Park and Last Rites as reference points. Sure, you dont NEED to use samples (and im not talking sample libraries or ripping other peoples tracks) but if one wants to get close to TDP and LR era Skinny Puppy, using a bunch of found sounds and samples is going to be the way to go.

did you read the original post??
Yes, I did read the OP..and I will say, to get that sound from TDP or Last Rites...requires experimenting, but more so than that, I understand the idea of drawing influence from such recordings, but to recreate?..if so, why? It's been done and should be left at that. It all comes down to experimenting and exploring the ideas/capability of your own imagination. I for one cannot give the remotest how to on any technical aspect of production other than to explore different aspects, and use circuit bent instruments/applications. Granted, I did overlook what the fellow was asking originally..It came off as a "how to." Well, it was more on the lines of tips rather than before mentioned, But in any case it goes back to discovery/experimentation. As before mentioned, AM radio was heavily sampled by Dewayne and Cevin (Even evident on Mind TPI) I don't want this to come off as hateful, but its all I got.

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Old 22-07-2012, 10:41 AM   #33
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Use zaps. Many of them. As many as you can.
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@Jhon: No offense meant or taken. we're just talking production here... (:

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Old 22-07-2012, 10:26 PM   #35
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So you wanna be a pornstar ?

No ?

You wanna be the new SP ?

Yes !




PS: It is impossible to recreate the sound (more important feeling) of some certain artists SP is one of them...you need a special feel, a special time (which is over) a special talent. Not only some sounds which may sound alike. I have proof for this btw.
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You can always talk a bunch of nonsense into tape recorder, even better if you have old VCR with sound in, then "sample" it. People will bash heads against walls trying to find where you got that from. I have a friend who can mimic vincent price to perfection, we used to do just that, he would speak slightly different line from a movie, or something that sounds alike it came from a movie.
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Some electronic bands which can not be recreated/copied by others: SP, FLA, 242, yelworC.. or have you heard any convincing copycats ? Yes, I did some swedish bands for example were quite near to SP. But have you ever heard more of them ? Me, not.
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Fill your head with dark imagery and thoughts.

Find a way to translate what you see into sounds or music.

Learn through researching how your favourite artists made their sounds.. yes it will take work. No there is no one way to do it.
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Some electronic bands which can not be recreated/copied by others: SP, FLA, 242, yelworC.. or have you heard any convincing copycats ? Yes, I did some swedish bands for example were quite near to SP. But have you ever heard more of them ? Me, not.




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