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Old 31-07-2016, 02:39 AM   #21
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Re: Please Understand the LETHAL Risks of Implementing the Internet of Things

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I appreciate the good cheer and optimism, but why do I have the feeling that some people didn't read the articles or that the actual dangers are misunderstood?
I think that the "dangers" are largely conflated.

Cars, for example. Cars kills people every day - around 32,000 in the US. So of course if there are self-driving cars there are going to be road deaths because cars are dangerous.

In terms of a cyber-attack... Well, it's not too dangerous if you think about it. I don't know about you, but if I got up one day and walked outside and there were crashed, self-driving cars all over the place, I probably wouldn't get in a car that day.

Totally agree that there are significant risks surrounding technology in healthcare. But again, this isn't a risk posed by the internet of things, but the existing computer systems in healthcare networks. Yes, if we put a bunch of internet connected medical devices into hospitals then the likelihood that they could be hacked wold probably be quite high. Mostly because hospital network security (in the US at least) is absolutely abysmal.

And in terms of consumer "tech" probably the most dangerous risk I've seen posed by internet connected home appliances is a Linux based pressure cooker. But again, it's dangerous because pressure cookers are dangerous. Not because it's connected to the internet.

But all of the risks are posed by the user. It's certainly true of the examples from the article.

In Target's case, they were hacked because they gave network credentials to a third party contractor and they were stolen. Target could have easily avoided being hacked by having a decent security policy on place where user credentials and permissions are revoked as soon as they're not being used.

In the case of the hospital equipment, the devices were running out of date software (Win2K and XP were mentioned). If the equipment vendors had continued providing regular updates, or allowed their users to maintain their systems, then the vulnerabilities aren't there.

In the case of Chrysler, their UConnect software can't be patched without inserting a USB drive which contains the patcher. So something as simple as a central patch manager which pushes updates to cars would have solved the problem, as the next time the driver gets in the car and their phone pairs, the update would get downloaded and then when they stop using the car it would have been patched.

I don't really know. But, from a hacking perspective, I kind of feel like the author is ignoring the fact that 99% of a computer's problems occur between the monitor and the chair.

So I'm not sure if Blingley was being serious or not, but this will help:

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So, honestly, fuck everyone, ban all non-open source and free/donationware software.

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I hope you're right, Jaded.
I feel like the article highlighted more real dangers than people are aware of.
And as usual, people just either aren't aware to begin with, and even after being told, just ignore it basically.
But I hope you're right.

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Re: Please Understand the LETHAL Risks of Implementing the Internet of Things

https://www.schneier.com/news/archiv...ings_camp.html

If you follow the MANY MANY scientifically-backed articles on https://www.schneier.com such as the one above, you will possibly reconsider your ambivalence to the issue, if in fact you are ambivalent.

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tl;dr so you say you care about your privacy but you use phone ? lel

internet thing called "smartphone" is just enough to beat the shit out of such a thing that is called "privacy", more and more phones have hardware backdoors which do things even if you install custom androind version. im not even talking about iphones.
in laymans words this is how it works: for example camera in your phone is separate device it has its own computer chip and its own os and it will store photos there which can be extracted
samsung phones already have similar backdoor, wifi\gsm modem is separate device acting on its own, even if you turn off phone it is still on and reporting your location, also it stores call list internally as well.
if you think some anti virus or using phone of specific brand with good reputation will help you you are wrong.
samsung, huawei, apple and ect are just brands, they rarely manufacture their own parts. camera is usually manufactured by xyz company which is then used by most brands, so even IF companies gave shit about your life they still be unable to help you

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Old 21-02-2017, 04:27 AM   #27
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Re: Please Understand the LETHAL Risks of Implementing the Internet of Things

And herein lies the fundamental difference between knowing how something works and someone telling you how something works.

Really, what are they going to do? Watch me pull off to some tranny midget porn? Sell me some shit I might actually want? Fuck it, privacy is for people that give shit about privacy. In the grand scheme of my day, Big Brother knowing how many times I visited Amazon because I was on the fence about buying those 1/4" cables isn't really top of my priority list. Any freedoms I cared about eroded a long time ago.

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where i live it is common thing to upload, show on tv, and expose private photos, skype talks, videos and chats of journalists if they are against government, (nope its not some anon hackers doing this, this is done by gov) thats method they use if they cant catch them with other means, yeah you be caught but if you are popular people will strike ect ect, so they turn people against you in that case
now you may ask so what ? everyone is having sex well yeah, but main targets of this are minorities, if you are gay and they put your sex tape on tv, no one will respect you anymore, homophobia is strong tool in hands of gov here
examples:
1. is that govt murdered one politician who was against them, people were terrified, but soon government exposed that he was bisexual and it slowly became ok
2. thugs raided jehovah witness office, no one was caught because it was ok in eyes of masses, same for religious minorities

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If you're worried about your sex tape getting out, don't make sex tapes. This isn't fucking rocket science.
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If you're worried about your sex tape getting out, don't make sex tapes. This isn't fucking rocket science.
they hacked into laptop of one of the tv company owners, keyword: HACKED
also your argument is strawman
robbery is dangerous we should defend people:
if you are afraid of being robbed, stay home
auto accidents are bad we shoud PREVENT them from happening
if you are afraid that car hits you dont cross the street,
we should fight terrorism:
if you are afraid of terrorists fly to mars
you get the concept ?

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now you may ask so what ? everyone is having sex well yeah, but main targets of this are minorities, if you are gay and they put your sex tape on tv, no one will respect you anymore, homophobia is strong tool in hands of gov here
You hinged your entire point on how getting a sex tape on tv is bad, I said not to make sex tapes. I'd say that's pretty simple. If a laptop is getting hacked maybe they shouldn't keep sensitive information on it, or maybe they should learn to secure it against being hacked. That goes back to my point about knowing how things work.

Almost every security issue can be avoided with planning and implementation. I really don't have much sympathy for people that leave their front doors open and then wonder why their shit is missing.
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You hinged your entire point on how getting a sex tape on tv is bad, I said not to make sex tapes. I'd say that's pretty simple. If a laptop is getting hacked maybe they shouldn't keep sensitive information on it, or maybe they should learn to secure it against being hacked. That goes back to my point about knowing how things work.

Almost every security issue can be avoided with planning and implementation. I really don't have much sympathy for people that leave their front doors open and then wonder why their shit is missing.
by sex tape i didn't mean something like you would necessarily record intentionally (if someone* installed RAT on your pc they can use webcam to record even if you didn't click record button are you this dumb m8 ? ), and bad because if you are known face in sphere where your sustaining your image in good(by crowds standards) shape is part of your work.

*somone, who is someone ? that someone is one who can walk through closed door, and no she is not Kitty Pryde, probably someone who you trust and let to enter your home, for example close friend, but why would close friend do this to you ? prolly because he is intimidated, "do this and that or we will lock you up for a decade (at best)", your friend also could just install camera somewhere, this is more common method

thing is that protecting your privacy costs much, maybe you don't care about privacy right ? but what if oligarch (nope its not that situation that they pay you million and you can rise price from there) wants your land to build hotel ? or someone beat you up for lulz raped your gf and turns out he is son of a minister ? what if you are political party leader and they want you to shut up ? shit like this is common here, they will intimidate your family, expose as much of your life as they can, ect
and price is staying absolutely isolated
for example just fact that you are not christian is enough to lose sympathy of pleaded judges or whatever it is called when 12 guys decide whether lock you up or no

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by sex tape i didn't mean something like you would necessarily record intentionally (if someone* installed RAT on your pc they can use webcam to record even if you didn't click record button are you this dumb m8 ? ), and bad because if you are known face in sphere where your sustaining your image in good(by crowds standards) shape is part of your work.

*somone, who is someone ? that someone is one who can walk through closed door, and no she is not Kitty Pryde, probably someone who you trust and let to enter your home, for example close friend, but why would close friend do this to you ? prolly because he is intimidated, "do this and that or we will lock you up for a decade (at best)", your friend also could just install camera somewhere, this is more common method

thing is that protecting your privacy costs much, maybe you don't care about privacy right ? but what if oligarch (nope its not that situation that they pay you million and you can rise price from there) wants your land to build hotel ? or someone beat you up for lulz raped your gf and turns out he is son of a minister ? what if you are political party leader and they want you to shut up ? shit like this is common here, they will intimidate your family, expose as much of your life as they can, ect
and price is staying absolutely isolated
for example just fact that you are not christian is enough to lose sympathy of pleaded judges or whatever it is called when 12 guys decide whether lock you up or no
Probably time to leave the country at that point.

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what the hell is this shit, they have the internet of things but i have yet to meet another person with an imax theater, jetson sofa, or hover stereo. fuck off with your inability to utilize technology you deserve all the hackers in the world at your front door too fuckin lazy to get up and turn the thermostat down bleh
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i made a sex tape once,many people saw it....so whats the big deal?
i wasn't embarrassed.i was young thin and blessed so wtf?:badger:
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Re: Please Understand the LETHAL Risks of Implementing the Internet of Things

I haven't yet read all the responses and comments here.
But this (Internet of Things Dangers) is a significant topic that isn't going to go away:

https://www.schneier.com/blog/archiv...3/botnets.html

The article linked above explains in more detail how the IoT makes the security issue of bots exponentially worse and even harder to control.

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botnet are not a new threat, pretty much anything that is not air-gaped can be hacked

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Re: Please Understand the LETHAL Risks of Implementing the Internet of Things

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Fuck it, privacy is for people that give shit about privacy.
And yet you have curtains on your windows. You probably close them while you sleep at night, why is that again?

Just because you don't value your privacy does not mean you get to erode everyone else's. Having "nothing to hide" is very different from revealing everything all the time.

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