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Old 09-11-2013, 09:07 PM   #21
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Re: Tutorial: How to get your bass sounding big, wide, and clean

Thanks for posting this. The widening of the upper freqs was not something I have ever tried.

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Re: Tutorial: How to get your bass sounding big, wide, and clean

i would like to add, also... don't use Joint Stereo when you convert to MP3. It will collapse all of your stereophonic bass frequencies into mono, but if they aren't in good phase you just lose them. And even if they do sum alright, they won't be wide anymore. Solution? Make sure to manually choose stereo instead of joint stereo for MP3 encoding. But be warned, joint stereo is the default for MP3 encoding on most if not all encoders.

or better yet... don't use MP3 use FLAC or WAVpack.

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Re: Tutorial: How to get your bass sounding big, wide, and clean

When people split instruments like this do you prefer steep or gradual slopes on the EQ?
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I prefer gradual slopes.

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I prefer gradual slopes.
Yeah me too I used to use 48db slopes on everything and although you get less bleeding they start to sound like separate sounds.

Listning to someone like NOISIA or Chasing Shadows I wonder if they use a 12 on the bottom division and a 24/48 on the top as they both have what I call a "separate sizzle" on their basses
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i like to use a steep slope for the sub, but more gradual slopes as it goes up the spectrum

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i like to use a steep slope for the sub, but more gradual slopes as it goes up the spectrum
Interesting thats the oposite of my NOISIA bass theory
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Interesting thats the oposite of my NOISIA bass theory
thats just what i have seen to work for me in the past.
i find that the sub usually covers less than an octave (usually only a few semitones. more than an octave and i will layer another sub) so it is important to make sure that the sub is completely cut out from the rest of my bass, meaning i need a steep slope, otherwise that area builds up quickly and can overwhelm the mix. it can sound unnatural when you listen to the soloed layers but when you mix it back it sounds like nothing is missing.
as you go up the spectrum you find that little details are easily missed and you can get away with more "errors". if you were missing a harmonic from 50Hz you would instantly know there was something missing, but if you were missing a harmonic from 10kHz you wouldnt even notice (although this could be an argument for a steeper slope at the top).
i also find that steep slopes sound more unnatural towards the top end so i aim for more shallow slopes there, and as the bottom end needs to be more surgical i aim for steep slopes there.

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thats just what i have seen to work for me in the past.
i find that the sub usually covers less than an octave (usually only a few semitones. more than an octave and i will layer another sub) so it is important to make sure that the sub is completely cut out from the rest of my bass, meaning i need a steep slope, otherwise that area builds up quickly and can overwhelm the mix. it can sound unnatural when you listen to the soloed layers but when you mix it back it sounds like nothing is missing.
as you go up the spectrum you find that little details are easily missed and you can get away with more "errors". if you were missing a harmonic from 50Hz you would instantly know there was something missing, but if you were missing a harmonic from 10kHz you wouldnt even notice (although this could be an argument for a steeper slope at the top).
i also find that steep slopes sound more unnatural towards the top end so i aim for more shallow slopes there, and as the bottom end needs to be more surgical i aim for steep slopes there.
Interesting I often try lots of variations on slopes and I use Multiband trans,Lim and Comp a lot so I play with those bands as well e.g. the same as the eq bands or overlapping.

Nice to get perspectives on things like this as there is no "right way" only a "right way for that track".
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Interesting I often try lots of variations on slopes and I use Multiband trans,Lim and Comp a lot so I play with those bands as well e.g. the same as the eq bands or overlapping.

Nice to get perspectives on things like this as there is no "right way" only a "right way for that track".
i try different slopes, thats just how i usually end up doing it.
like you said, there is no right way.

i find it more important to focus on the glueing of the layers than the slopes. some gentle saturation, EQ and compression can really bring the layers together. only a little is needed to make a huge difference

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Old 10-12-2013, 06:47 PM   #31
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Re: Tutorial: How to get your bass sounding big, wide, and clean

Definitely putting this to work on my current project. Thanks Syllix.

PS: I've got a Chemical Plant remix that I've been dabbling with for a while. I'll let you know when that's done. =)
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Old 14-12-2013, 02:46 AM   #32
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Re: Tutorial: How to get your bass sounding big, wide, and clean

Wow I never thought of making a sound mono them spreading it via panning effects in order to fill out the gaps. I've checked out your youtube videos and instantly subscribed to it. Thanks for the help, I'm eager to here more from you!!!
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Re: Tutorial: How to get your bass sounding big, wide, and clean

Wow I never thought of making a sound mono them spreading it via panning effects in order to fill out the gaps. I've checked out your youtube videos and instantly subscribed to it. Thanks for the help, I'm eager to here more from you!!!


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Re: Tutorial: How to get your bass sounding big, wide, and clean

I don't think that would work for everything. If the bassline had some low frequencies I'm not sure I would want them panned in different directions. Usually best to keep the lows mono. But then again, there are no rules. Do what sounds best!

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Saw a great tip from Claude von stroke. You layer the same bassline 3 times & have them all panning different positions. This was from his point blank ableton tutorial I think.
This only works when the patches are only similar not identical and the notes are not all triggered at exactly the same time.itīs essentially multitracking.if you donīt have the timing differences and slight timbral changes itīs a phasey mess just like trying to layer 2 of the exact same guitar takes or vocal takes (phase is a mofo)







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When people split instruments like this do you prefer steep or gradual slopes on the EQ?
The thing with splitting sounds is the slope really doesnīt matter as you can recombine the phase of most splits to somewhat bare the same phase relationship as the original,obviously thereīd be some smear with steeper slopes but you could get it to work contextually without it sounding weak especially if the splits where done in audio.loads of different ways to recombine crossovers,phase and thereīs also the inversion method which is pretty much a null but wont give you that stretched out steep allpass sound using steep slopes gives you





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Re: Tutorial: How to get your bass sounding big, wide, and clean

I thought I was the only one who spreads the high freq. +1 I use this technique all the time on my bass. I use izotope image spreader (Dopeness!). Glad you mentioned the mono part because it doesn't sound right with stereo in the middle and high stereo widen, just sounds all over the place and phasy.

Even if you saturated the high, theirs so many ideas (Creative).
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Thank you so much! Been looking for something like this
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