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Old 19-09-2017, 07:38 PM   #1
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aux send choices on mixer - tips, tricks and troofs

so if you were to perform a track live with a number of separate components running through a mixer and you only have one aux option... what do you go for, what have you gone for, whats the weirdest thing you've gone for, what works in this situation but doesn't in the other etc

reverb and delay are surely the standard effects that can work with almost everything and have a nice tail that will keep on going when you turn the send down.

I'm sure that there are a number of other effects/boxes/machines/things you can use SPECIFICALLY IN A LIVE SITUATION however and would love to hear some of your thoughts and/or previous results from experimentation

when I say 'performing live' I mean muting and unmuting parts, filtering and effecting parts to create an arrangement whether to record as the finished track itself or as a performance before other people. what can the aux send really do in this situation? cheers

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Re: aux send choices on mixer - tips, tricks and troofs

depending on what sort of show you're playing - in the past during a phase of writing more industrial flavored IDM I put a distortion pedal on the aux send and rather than returning it to a aux return, i'd feed it to an input channel, creating feedback loops through a distortion pedal (that has a wide band sweepable midrange) was a SICK way to get really loud heavy sounds.

Once it was going (feeding back) introducing additional elements to the signal (ie drums or something) would create all of the fucked up harmonics, it got really interesting/out of hand really quickly.

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Old 19-09-2017, 08:01 PM   #3
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depending on what sort of show you're playing - in the past during a phase of writing more industrial flavored IDM I put a distortion pedal on the aux send and rather than returning it to a aux return, i'd feed it to an input channel, creating feedback loops through a distortion pedal (that has a wide band sweepable midrange) was a SICK way to get really loud heavy sounds.

Once it was going (feeding back) introducing additional elements to the signal (ie drums or something) would create all of the fucked up harmonics, it got really interesting/out of hand really quickly.

not for the faint of heart.
holy fuck man. not for the faint of heart at all! ive done this with a delay pedal... fed a bit of itself back into itself and it sounds much better until a point where suddenly its just a scream. from what I can tell you were going for the scream lol very brave. cheers

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Old 19-09-2017, 08:55 PM   #4
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Re: aux send choices on mixer - tips, tricks and troofs

it was half IDM half audience abuse.

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Old 19-09-2017, 10:54 PM   #5
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Old 19-09-2017, 11:19 PM   #6
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Re: aux send choices on mixer - tips, tricks and troofs

As an engineer (day job) I get special liberties.

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Not really, and you're right. Hated.

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Re: aux send choices on mixer - tips, tricks and troofs

A looper could be interesting for improv.

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Re: aux send choices on mixer - tips, tricks and troofs

So way back when I was obsessed with live looping not using anything pre-recorded, I used to run all my instruments into a mixer and run two pre-fader aux sends into the Left and right of my looper (the looperlative lp1).

I'd then be able to route anything to the looper regardless of what else was happening live through the mixer.

The looper had 8 tracks that I could route to any of 4 outputs with different FX chains post output then returned on other faders.

That was my ultimate configuration of the live looping thing that pretty much let me do anything.

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Re: aux send choices on mixer - tips, tricks and troofs

As someone who basically does all his stuff live to record, and having only 1 send, no returns on my mixer. It depends on what I'm doing, but the aux is conected to a Boss VF1 multi FX unit, then I usually channel me other gear through another FX unit and guitar pedals before they hit the mixer. The advantage of the guitar pedals over the FX processor, is that it's easier to turn them on and off and change parameters on the fly.
The Boss can do some pretty mean stuff, if a bit noisy at times. I need to get some more pedals though. Only problem is the spaghetti junction of cables you have to deal with.
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As someone who basically does all his stuff live to record, and having only 1 send, no returns on my mixer. It depends on what I'm doing, but the aux is conected to a Boss VF1 multi FX unit, then I usually channel me other gear through another FX unit and guitar pedals before they hit the mixer. The advantage of the guitar pedals over the FX processor, is that it's easier to turn them on and off and change parameters on the fly.
The Boss can do some pretty mean stuff, if a bit noisy at times. I need to get some more pedals though. Only problem is the spaghetti junction of cables you have to deal with.
I know I sound like a pimp for the line6 helix, however I'll pimp some more. The thing is amazing for routing matrix alone. Four FX loops that you can place anywhere in a preset and move around per preset. Also the FX it has are great. Also can run two independent chains and route to different outputs.

I'm the guy who has an absurd collection of pedals and I'm a complete miserable gear snob. I could not believe how good this is. Only thing is the reverbs are just ok. No worries though because of the loops


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Re: aux send choices on mixer - tips, tricks and troofs

So I don't know if you know that this exists or not?

Rare as rocking horse shit and expensive, I heard Autechre were using one live at one point (mid 90's).
And of course, if you only have 1 aux send you probably need a new mixer before an auxpander but I thought you'd be interested in this anyway.


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Traditionally, the number of auxiliary sends available on mixing consoles has been sufficient and proportional to the number of inputs needed for a given application. However, recent developments in audio technology have resulted in a significant increase in the number of audio components requiring auxiliary sends, beyond what many consoles have to offer. In many applications, the number of auxiliary outputs can equal, if not exceed, the number of inputs. The AuxPander® auxiliary expander is designed as a flexible and cost-effective way to address this issue. Each AuxPander is an insertable, 8x8, analog mixing matrix designed to expand the auxiliary output capabilities of any standard mixing console. Compact and transportable, the AuxPander is capable of mixing eight input signals and distributing them to any of the eight available outputs, in any combination, and at any volume level.
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So I don't know if you know that this exists or not?

Rare as rocking horse shit and expensive, I heard Autechre were using one live at one point (mid 90's).
And of course, if you only have 1 aux send you probably need a new mixer before an auxpander but I thought you'd be interested in this anyway.
oh snap! i got 6 sends, but.... the dubs i could make w this beauty. wow, mind reeling with the possibilities. (i have 2 rack fx units w 4 ins and 4 outs, as well as a load of stereo in/out units)














lol.. probably a GREAT way to mud up a mix (im already good at that)

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Old 20-09-2017, 08:35 AM   #15
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I don't really understand how it works oops :/

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