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Old 12-05-2018, 10:50 PM   #1
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Hi.

Im struggeling to get my hats to sound clear and less white noisey.

Any tips? Particular effects chain? frequency areas for eq? good vsts?

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Old 13-05-2018, 01:42 AM   #2
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Re: Hats

Hmmm what samples are you using I wonder? If your sample sounds like a piece of metal then you’re off to a good start. A good way to eliminate unwanted frequencies in general is to use a narrow EQ boost to find the stuff that is bothering you, then cut it when you find it. For high frequency elements that are too abrasive I usually discover that there might be too much energy in the 2.5-5k range or thereabouts, and a wider cut is appropriate. Also, the envelope of the hat is important as well. If there is a clearly defined attack transient followed by a decently fast decay, it will help the sound seem less abrasive, or at least get out of the way. If you squash the heck out of a hat, there is a better chance it will sound a bit noisy.
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Re: Hats

Are you talking about open hats? Space them apart a little and turn down the volume. This is just mildly too vague to really 'drum' up an answer for

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Thanks for your reply. Many great tips! I will reply more thorough later, need some sleep first
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Re: Hats

open hi hat i like to put it inbetween my kick and snare/clap.
So what i mean by that is say i have my kick at -6db and my snare/clap at -8db ( i like to have my snare/clap 2 to 3 db below my kick) have my open hat at -7 or -6.5 db.
eq wise start by hipassing till around 700 to 800hz so cutting off all the low nd mid frequencies as there not needed and then i put a small spike at the hi end at around the 7500hz to 8000hz mark then if you want it to sound less white noisy kill off the excess with a low pass at around the 22000 hz mark.
i tend not to compress them either i like to use a transient shaper/processor insted with longish attack so it cuts through nicely and release around two thirds of the way.
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open hi hat i like to put it inbetween my kick and snare/clap.
So what i mean by that is say i have my kick at -6db and my snare/clap at -8db ( i like to have my snare/clap 2 to 3 db below my kick) have my open hat at -7 or -6.5 db.
eq wise start by hipassing till around 700 to 800hz so cutting off all the low nd mid frequencies as there not needed and then i put a small spike at the hi end at around the 7500hz to 8000hz mark then if you want it to sound less white noisy kill off the excess with a low pass at around the 22000 hz mark.
i tend not to compress them either i like to use a transient shaper/processor insted with longish attack so it cuts through nicely and release around two thirds of the way.
that's interesting, I actually want to try that EQ spike suggestion on some of my own hh mixes because sometimes the hiss factor does come about just by compressing, depending on if you're doing multiband. me, i fucks wit it, maybe too much. helps when you have a graphic EQ so you can see where the hisses are, but sometimes in the upper register you have to cloud them by ear.

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Re: Hats

the first place to look is the samples you are using. if they are 'noisy' samples anyway then there wont be a whole lot you can do to clean them up. sample selection is the first opportunity to ruin a track, dont be afraid to swap out samples if they are not working, even if the track is almost finished

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Re: Hats

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the first place to look is the samples you are using. if they are 'noisy' samples anyway then there wont be a whole lot you can do to clean them up. sample selection is the first opportunity to ruin a track, dont be afraid to swap out samples if they are not working, even if the track is almost finished
picking the right sample is major! if the sample has white noise backing the hats, there isn't much you can do to clean it up (it'd be pretty counterproductive, anyway!).

is there an option to swap out samples that would replace your current hats' arrangement? in ableton you can hotswap, which is clutch af. if fl has it, you should give it a try.
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I dunno, i'm just gonna say: don't overthink it. When you load up your hi hat sample, if it's in the ballpark for how you want it to sound, you're only a few moves away from perfection. like Tsachi was saying, I would say that cutting harsh freq (a big deal for hi end things like hats) and playing with envelope should get you 90% there.

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picking the right sample is major! if the sample has white noise backing the hats, there isn't much you can do to clean it up (it'd be pretty counterproductive, anyway!).

is there an option to swap out samples that would replace your current hats' arrangement? in ableton you can hotswap, which is clutch af. if fl has it, you should give it a try.
there are drum replacement plugins too, but personally i would swap them all individually

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the first place to look is the samples you are using. if they are 'noisy' samples anyway then there wont be a whole lot you can do to clean them up. sample selection is the first opportunity to ruin a track, dont be afraid to swap out samples if they are not working, even if the track is almost finished
it's sometimes difficult to tell whether a split second non-tonal high frequency transient sample is "noisy" based on the fact that a hat sample is the definition of "noisy"

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Re: Hats

A way to reduce the “noisey” quality would be to add a resonant peak/boost. A resonant frequency is the polar opposite of white noise.


This is a good example of why you you have to be a bit careful with the “search and destroy” method of eq-ing, in which you drag a boost around until you find a frequency that then cut it. It definitely works in some situations, but there are times when you want things to have resonant peaks. Try the search and destroy method on a clave for example lol. If you cut out the resonance from a hi hat you are going to be left with something resembling noise.

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Re: Hats

For my hats, I always just use 808 or 909 emulators, so they're pretty clean to start with (though I think based on noise). I hipass around 800hz to 1k and then I have a few (2-4) pretty sharp cuts between 5 khz and 12 khz. I can't give you specific frequencies because that changes with tuning and the mix that the hats need to cut through, but I would say that I don't just drop the cuts to -10db or something. I earball it and leave the right amount of that hiss in there, and sometimes that means I find a nasty frequency and then I only cut 2 db from it, and sometimes I cut 15 db from it. It really depends on what I need to hear the hats around, so I usually have to go and touch them up after I think I have them set to where they sound good to make them audible.

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it's sometimes difficult to tell whether a split second non-tonal high frequency transient sample is "noisy" based on the fact that a hat sample is the definition of "noisy"
yea there is usually a fair amount of noise, but i assume the sample in question has a bad SNR, which is a bad kind of noise

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Yes. Offbeat main hat. Techno/House
Compress the living crap out of it
Add saturation and distortion
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Compress the living crap out of it
Add saturation and distortion
Reverb and then sidechain with kick
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Re: Hats

I admit I am not a techno superstar, but seems to work fine for me. Here is an example, for science.

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Dry/Wet at first and then a more stripped version of the beat at Wet/Dry. Just turning off said FX and adjusting for volume.

Feel free to provide examples of your preferred mixing techniques, but for that big club techno sound this seems like the easiest approach - and if not further specified, I assume that is what the OP wanted. Though inb4 techno hipstes who think "dub techno" is a valid musical genre.

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Re: Hats

Still kinda confused what sort of sound you're after (so not sure if I'm answering your question), but if you just want cut away that "white noise-y" quality, just use dynamic equalizer or MB comp to envelope the content above 8k into sort a click, add tiny boost to mids and limit/saturate to taste. That noise is just sustained atonal harmonics in the high end.

Here's an example, both versions peaking at -6db. I kept it kinda subtle but you'll get the idea.

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