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Old 12-12-2017, 03:12 AM   #21
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So you can't rewire live into mixbus?
I am guessing you are talking about busses, or sub mixes when you are talking about a track for all your drums?
Using groups in live seems to do basically that for me at least.

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Old 12-12-2017, 05:16 AM   #22
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So you can't rewire live into mixbus?
I am guessing you are talking about busses, or sub mixes when you are talking about a track for all your drums?
Using groups in live seems to do basically that for me at least.
The way mixbus is set up is with n number of "input channels" (tracks) and 8 (unless you get mixbus 32) mix buses, and of course one master.

The workflow is intended to progress on the board left to right, progressively 'filtering' the sets at the previous stage to a smaller set at the next stage.

It's different than Ableton's groups in the way things are handled.
It's about the routing and layout.
In Ableton we can make a "mix bus" of a sort by grouping, true, but it's rather different when the board itself is built from square one on up assuming that workflow and it definitely forces you to stop and think about your soundspace more.

You can accomplish the same basics in Ableton, except for two things: environment, and the Harrison sound.
The Harrison board sound is subjective - some may not like it; others will.
The environment, to me, is the real kick and reason.

It's just a real nice set up and, for me at least, it makes organizing and distilling the song down in the final mix and master stage much nicer.


Here's Harrison's way of putting it:
"Console-like signal flow
Most DAWs allow the user to create tracks and buses, but the user is expected to assemble the tracks and
buses into a sensible signal flow. To do this, you create one or more buses as-needed, and then assign the
track output(s) to the bus inputs. If you later realize that you want another track assigned to that bus, you’ll
have to make that connection; and at the end of the day you might have lots of nearly-invisible and
arbitrarily-ordered connections all over the place!
Mixbus provides a fixed signal flow, modeled after an analog console. You don’t have to “choose” how many
buses you will need, or where they are assigned. This provides several benefits. The bus assignments/
sends are displayed in a fixed order, so you can quickly determine what channels are feeding the reverb
bus, for example. Additionally, the assignment and/or send-level to a bus can be automated."


As to the rewiring right in: not that I've found so far.

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Old 12-12-2017, 12:05 PM   #23
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Re: Which DAW to choose?

Ardour, right? Apart from the specific sound, what reason for Harrison Mixbus in particular?

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You can accomplish the same basics in Ableton, except for two things: environment, and the Harrison sound.
The Harrison board sound is subjective - some may not like it; others will.
The environment, to me, is the real kick and reason.

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Ardour, right? Apart from the specific sound, what reason for Harrison Mixbus in particular?
So far: Just the work flow and feel of it.

However, I need to play with it more because there's lots I haven't touched.
For example: there's this layering on one track thing the editor does - pretty interesting idea, but I haven't used it. Something to do with being able to lay multiple tracks over each other and even play them at once off one track - intended for redubbing in.

Mostly for me I just wanted a classic board at a good price. Mixbus has both.
And the Harrison sound is pretty compelling.
Though, I haven't tried Ardour in comparison.

Have you?

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Old 12-12-2017, 05:32 PM   #25
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At which point did this turn into a serious thread?

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Yeah that is odd - usually they go the other direction.

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Re: Which DAW to choose?

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Though, I haven't tried Ardour in comparison.
Have you?
No. Have been with Logic too long, and X seems to have gone enough in the right direction for me. Ardour seems too audio-oriented for my composing/MIDI needs. I'd probably try midi-clips in session-view Live before anything else (I know, probably a masochistic idea).

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No. Have been with Logic too long, and X seems to have gone enough in the right direction for me. Ardour seems too audio-oriented for my composing/MIDI needs. I'd probably try midi-clips in session-view Live before anything else (I know, probably a masochistic idea).
It's definitely audio-oriented, but that's what I was looking for.
Currently when I do the final mix or master, I flip to session view, slap a spectrum on the master, make it consume the entire screen and hit play because when I'm at this stage I don't like being distracted with all the visual side of things; I just want to use my ears without distraction.
The frustrating part is that if I want to adjust something, I have to drop the spectrum, flip back to arrangement view, make my minor adjustment, queue back, flip back to session view, flip the spectrum back up and hit play.

In Mixbus (or Ardour), I just have a bored in front of me and that's it, so I can make my adjustments and keep going without worrying about visual distractions.

It has an arrangement editor, but honestly I was a tad disappointed to see that it does when I opened it, but that's just because I have no interest in that part at all for my purposes. For song writing, I'm quite happy with Ableton, and I've never found a better writing software when you're 99% exclusively midi writing your songs.

So my future plan, if Mixbus turns out nice once I get some more time to spend learning my way around and dusting off the cobwebs from my old analogue board days at the local radio station, is to write in Ableton and master in Mixbus.

I don't think most folks are like this though; wanting less visual input and more auditory focus and only nobs to turn.

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Old 15-12-2017, 01:25 PM   #29
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Re: Which DAW to choose?

If you are making electronic music and you plan to buy vsts or external synths I really don't think it matters. It is literally which ever is easier for you.

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Old 16-12-2017, 03:25 AM   #30
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Re: Which DAW to choose?

As an outsider to FL Studio, I thought the same exact thing when I tried to get into it. Routing / mixing with that shit is about as absurd as anything could ever get. Every DAW has its quirks, but I couldn't imagine getting used to that shit and trying to transfer your skills to other mixing environments.

Everything else is more straightforward, which makes me wonder why so many people use it. I know there's a reason, but I'm confused (a deficit on my part, probably).

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Old 03-02-2018, 03:47 PM   #31
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Re: Which DAW to choose?

Check out Cubase 9.5 - UDEMY has a course on it at the moment.
head over to udemy and type in cubase 9.5 it's the first and Only one in the list.
Create a dance track from scratch. helped me a lot! You can see it in the making and if you like it buy the DAW then.
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Old 03-02-2018, 11:03 PM   #32
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i know this is an old thread.. but I'm pretty offended by it..

I don't need a stupid article to tell me which DAW to use. The answer will always be DUBTURBO

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Old 04-02-2018, 12:04 AM   #33
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SoundTracker or GTFO.

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I'm surprised none of you have mentioned Garageband..everyone is talking about it.

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Re: Which DAW to choose?

N-Track studio. Be different for no good reason at all.
In fact, program your own DAW. It will grow with your abilities.

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you guys still aren't convinced?? :eyeroll:


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I that Dr. Drum's cousin?

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Re: Which DAW to choose?

I love Logic and used it for 10 years, i have just jumped ship to Ableton Live v10 yesterday and struggling but I'm sure i'll learn its way soon.

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I love Logic and used it for 10 years, i have just jumped ship to Ableton Live v10 yesterday and struggling but I'm sure i'll learn its way soon.
Live is super easy, coming from reason, and learning studio one now, live is by far the most intuitive, although it has some frustrating aspects as well.

That triangle at the bottom left tells you what everything is when you hover the mouse over anything. Very helpful.

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