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Old 02-22-2017, 05:55 PM   #1
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Article on Emotional Effects of Lossy Compression on Music

I saw this over on head-fi and thought we as producers could use some of the findings to our advantage. I feel like we already do this, but this paper quantifies that lo-fi audio decreases positive emotions caused by music and increases negative ones.

http://www.innerfidelity.com/content...rdQlq1JfpKc.97

The original paper: http://www.aes.org/e-lib/browse.cfm?elib=18523

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Re: Article on Emotional Effects of Lossy Compression on Music

That was an interesting read..but I think their findings a bit flawed, when you take other factors into account..mainly cultural background and personality, as well as the number of subjects used.

It's important to keep in mind that any emotional response to a piece of music is subjective..and no two people experience things the exact same way, so that alone should make us take such findings with a pinch of salt, as they say.

In regards to personality..this again is something that's hard to qualify..we don't know if what one person finds, say, "Romantic" will arouse the exact same levels of romantic feelings in somebody else..which means any like-feelings felt are only going to be rough approximates and not absolutes.

Then there's cultural differences to be factored in, as the very real subtle differences between various cultures when it comes to music and art appreciation in general, should be expected to impact any such results.

And then you have to remember this experiment was carried out on a group of only 20 individuals. Again, there's no way to know if these 20 really are indicative of everyone else in the world, when it comes to interpreting the emotional impact of music. How do we know they all "feel" emotions the same..or to the same level of intensity? We don't..at best all we can do is again hope for a rough approximate value.

Don't get me wrong..I'm not bashing the study, just highlighting that scientific hubris can be a very real thing, when they try to qualify accurately with a physical experiment things that are intangible to begin with.

In short, all this only indicates is there were perceived differences..but, again, the results can only ever be rough approximates and not absolutes, due to the subjective nature of emotions.

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Re: Article on Emotional Effects of Lossy Compression on Music

I wonder if these people were prone to mood swings. They used my shit headphones of choice, so kudos. I can't tell the difference or hear particular artifacts in these, but if it significantly ruins their mood, that's pretty interesting all around.

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Re: Article on Emotional Effects of Lossy Compression on Music

I'd be more interested to see something about heavily limited music vs dynamic music.

Lossy compression is becoming less relevant as bandwidth increases. If you read the article, you'll see that things have to get pretty compressed before there is a significant effect. Almost everything is at a high enough bitrate to where it doesn't matter.

Dynamic compression is a much more relevant issue.

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Re: Article on Emotional Effects of Lossy Compression on Music

I think those are valid points, and along the same lines, all subjects were college students, and so likely between 20 and 25 years old. Certainly not a representative sample of all music listeners. Nor are a set of closed studio headphones representative of all listening environments, which I had not considered before bringing this to everyone's attention. And the sole comment on the paper does note that mp3 compression of notes in a vacuum (ie without any musical accompaniment) is going to be at risk of being different than mp3 compression of musical passages.

All that said, I think it's interesting that there may be a correlation between objective audio quality and subjective human interpretation of music, and this paper may represent the first evidence of such a phenomenon.

EDIT: That was in response to AM's post.

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Re: Article on Emotional Effects of Lossy Compression on Music

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I'd be more interested to see something about heavily limited music vs dynamic music.
I'm thinking I'm going to start taking a look around the AES open access database and see if anything else catches my eye. I'll let you know if I find anything.

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I think those are valid points, and along the same lines, all subjects were college students, and so likely between 20 and 25 years old. Certainly not a representative sample of all music listeners. Nor are a set of closed studio headphones representative of all listening environments, which I had not considered before bringing this to everyone's attention. And the sole comment on the paper does note that mp3 compression of notes in a vacuum (ie without any musical accompaniment) is going to be at risk of being different than mp3 compression of musical passages.

All that said, I think it's interesting that there may be a correlation between objective audio quality and subjective human interpretation of music, and this paper may represent the first evidence of such a phenomenon.

EDIT: That was in response to AM's post.
Yeah, I totally agree with you, it IS an interesting correlation, but nothing more really. I'm with mnkvolcno on this, Dynamic compression is a much more relevant issue..but I get what they were trying to do / demonstrate, I just think it's not that easy to demonstrate objectively is all.

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All that said, I think it's interesting that there may be a correlation between objective audio quality and subjective human interpretation of music, and this paper may represent the first evidence of such a phenomenon.
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Re: Article on Emotional Effects of Lossy Compression on Music

http://www.aes.org/openaccess/


I found a couple of articles I was going to share, then I realized it might be more effective to simply link you all to the open records so you can search for what you're interested in yourselves. If you find anything that blows your mind or that you feel we should all be aware of, link it and summarize your take on the findings back here. I'll get to that for the papers I found later, but I need to go make dinner now.

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I saw this over on head-fi and thought we as producers could use some of the findings to our advantage. I feel like we already do this, but this paper quantifies that lo-fi audio decreases positive emotions caused by music and increases negative ones.
I'd say you were complaining too much and being a pussy
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I'd say you were complaining too much and being a pussy
Heh , that'd be fair, I come from the audiophile background. I can justify $500 headphones as a mixing tool to myself, and I get that that's just plain ridiculous for most people. But wanting to be at the cutting edge of audio has a price, and I think that the price is you're going to be wrong or look stupid sometimes. Maybe we'll do more research on this and it goes nowhere, the test was all wrong, and the audio quality had no effect at all. But what if they're right and I'm using that to my advantage as a producer years before anyone else? How freaking cool would that be?

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How freaking cool would that be?
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Re: Article on Emotional Effects of Lossy Compression on Music

Most people can tell the difference between a 320kbps MP3 and a 1200kbps flac.

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Most people can tell the difference between a 320kbps MP3 and a 1200kbps flac.
Where's the Venn, man..where's the Venn?

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