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Old 28-10-2016, 02:51 PM   #1
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Google Neural Network rolled its own encryption

http://www.slashgear.com/google-neur...data-28461937/

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Google has a trio of neural networks called Alice, Bob, and Eve. These neural networks were trained to optimize and perfect their parts of a communication process. Alice was to send a message to Bob and Bob was to decode that message. Eve was only there to throw a wrench in the works and read the message Alice sent without permission. To keep the message secret Alice and Bob did something that is more than a bit disturbing if you have ever seen Terminator.

Alice and Bob ended up creating their own form of encryption using machine learning without having to be taught any specific cryptographic algorithms. Researchers Martin Abadi and David Andersen say that the encryption processes the computers created is very basic compared to those that humans have created.

Despite the simplicity of the encryption process, this is a big deal because the researchers say that neural networks “are generally not meant to be great at cryptography.” Bob and Alice started with an agreed set of numbers for their key. During the process Alice was able to develop her own encryption strategy and Bob was able to slowly learn to decipher the text. It apparently took 15,000 tries before Bob was able to turn the encrypted text that Alice sent into plain text.

During that time Eve, the eavesdropper, was only able to guess 8 out of the 16-bits in the secret message. The researchers say that this is the same percentage you could get from pure chance with a binary system. The catch is that the researchers on the project have no idea how the encryption method works so they can’t give any security guarantees. Essentially these two neural networks have learned to encrypt their own messages and their human creators have no idea how to decipher the text themselves. This is how you get Skynet.

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Old 28-10-2016, 03:25 PM   #2
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What I'm REALLY worried about is what kind of fucked up, bitter bitch Eve might turn into.
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Re: Google Neural Network rolled its own encryption

This thread needs more Sam Harris. I know he did a TED talk recently which is a a condensed, dumbed down (it's TED) version of his lecture.

Love the stupid "but neural nets don't do encryption". Idiots! Humans aren't meant to fly! What does that tell you about intelligence? Worst part is people think the next singularity isn't due forever...

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Re: Google Neural Network rolled its own encryption

Swell. To round it out, here is the complementary military research...

Just read this in the NYT:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/26/us...e-iphone-share

"The Pentagon’s latest budget outlined $18 billion to be spent over three years on technologies that included those needed for autonomous weapons. (...)
At the core of the strategic shift envisioned by the Pentagon is a concept that officials call centaur warfighting. Named for the half-man and half-horse in Greek mythology, the strategy emphasizes human control and autonomous weapons as ways to augment and magnify the creativity and problem-solving skills of soldiers, pilots and sailors, not replace them.
The weapons, in the Pentagon’s vision, would be less like the Terminator and more like the comic-book superhero Iron Man, Mr. Work said in an interview.
“There’s so much fear out there about killer robots and Skynet,” the murderous artificial intelligence network of the “Terminator” movies, Mr. Work said. “That’s not the way we envision it at all.” (...)
Beyond the Pentagon, though, there is deep skepticism that such limits will remain in place once the technologies to create thinking weapons are perfected. Hundreds of scientists and experts warned in an open letter last year that developing even the dumbest of intelligent weapons risked setting off a global arms race. The result, the letter warned, would be fully independent robots that can kill, and are cheap and as readily available to rogue states and violent extremists as they are to great powers.
“Autonomous weapons will become the Kalashnikovs of tomorrow,” the letter said. (...)
The debate within the military is no longer about whether to build autonomous weapons but how much independence to give them. Gen. Paul J. Selva of the Air Force, the vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said recently that the United States was about a decade away from having the technology to build a fully independent robot that could decide on its own whom and when to kill, though it had no intention of building one.
Other countries were not far behind, and it was very likely that someone would eventually try to unleash “something like a Terminator,” General Selva said, invoking what seems to be a common reference in any discussion on autonomous weapons. (...)
For now, though, the current state of the art is decidedly less frightening. Exhibit A: the small, unarmed drone tested this summer on Cape Cod.
It could not turn itself on and just fly off. It had to be told by humans
where to go and what to look for. But once aloft, it decided on its own how to execute its orders. (...)

Unlike the technologies and material needed for nuclear weapons or guided missiles, artificial intelligence as powerful as what the Pentagon seeks to harness is already deeply woven into everyday life. Military technology is often years behind what can be picked up at Best Buy. (...)
After the war, the United States helped negotiate an international treaty that sought to ban unrestricted submarine warfare.
Then came the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7, 1941. That day, it took just six hours for the United States military to disregard decades of legal and ethical norms and order unrestricted submarine warfare against Japan. American submarines went on to devastate Japan’s civilian merchant fleet during World War II, in a campaign that was later acknowledged to be tantamount to a war crime.
“The point is, what happens once submarines are no longer a new technology, and we’re losing?” Mr. Singer said. He added: “Think about robots, things we say we wouldn’t do now, in a different kind of war.” "

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"Military technology is often years behind what can be picked up at Best Buy." - ..there goes that article's creditability right out the window! They spend billions each year on R& D..and yet we're supposed to believe they're actually years behind anything we can get at Best Buy?

As Scotty said in the movie Star Trek III: The Search for Spock.."Aye, and if my grandmother had wheels, she’d be a wagon.”

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Now, we are talking about a government bureaucracy administering $500 bil. Did you ever read about the story of the Bradley fighting vehicle? The only thing more prevalent than bloat is generally a unique mixture of well meaning incompetence, glacial speed, and misdirected frugality.

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Now, we are talking about a government bureaucracy administering $500 bil. Did you ever read about the story of the Bradley fighting vehicle? The only thing more prevalent than bloat is generally a unique mixture of well meaning incompetence, glacial speed, and misdirected frugality.
That may well be..but, come on..do you really think the public are allowed to get their hands on new tech BEFORE the Military, not just in the U.S..but in any country..really?

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"Military technology is often years behind what can be picked up at Best Buy." - ..there goes that article's creditability right out the window! They spend billions each year on R& D..and yet we're supposed to believe they're actually years behind anything we can get at Best Buy?
Actually that is quite accurate but lacks context. For example because of budgetary constraints you'll see military vehicles in action that are easily 30 years old but still perfectly adequate for their role. The same applies to other areas of military tech. Yes, you'll see cutting edge stuff but not everywhere. In some cases they just haven't improved the design for a specific tech.

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Actually that is quite accurate but lacks context. For example because of budgetary constraints you'll see military vehicles in action that are easily 30 years old but still perfectly adequate for their role. The same applies to other areas of military tech. Yes, you'll see cutting edge stuff but not everywhere. In some cases they just haven't improved the design for a specific tech.
This is very true, the original design of say an f18 is about 35 years old now if not more and the marine corps in the US still use the original ones. Albeit with upgrades and all.
Just one example.
All the vehicles used to invade Iraq in 2003 were used to drive through Kuwait in 1991! And are still in service.
And a lot of modern computing systems in the military are on off the shelf android devices! No bs!

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That may well be..but, come on..do you really think the public are allowed to get their hands on new tech BEFORE the Military, not just in the U.S..but in any country..really?
100% for many things! Especially in computing, obviously the applications are different, and the militarized versions are classified but really it's borrowed tech.
The innovative stuff is more along the lines of stealth materials and counter stealth measures, but no one would buy that shit off the shelf anyways. Plus it's fairly simple, the Russians use small sonar launched into the air to triangulate the position of stealth aircraft!

Anyways all this to say that between operational needs, budgetary screw ups, bureaucratic red tape and a lack of flexibility in terms of forecasting the military, any military will be behind in term of computing technology. Just look up military gps!

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