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Old 02-07-2016, 04:07 PM   #1
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Basics of a Trap song?

I want to make a trap song, but I'm not sure about the basics. I'd just like some tips to get me rolling, such as what tempo I should use, what kind of drum samples work best, and the basic structure of a trap song.

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Old 02-07-2016, 05:09 PM   #2
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Re: Basics of a Trap song?

I feel like these questions could all be answered by listening to some trap. Have you tried that yet?

What tempos have you tried and what made them feel "trappy" or not?
What kind of drum samples do you think sound the best for trap?
How do they seem to be structured?
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Re: Basics of a Trap song?

Yeah, Oatbag got you covered there. Not the sort of question that gets you favorable responses.

What I found useful are some courses on producertech.com

Such as this one: [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click here to register]

albeit I was interested in learning about sample mangling in Maschine more so than the genre per se.

Might also want to check out YouTube.

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Re: Basics of a Trap song?

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Re: Basics of a Trap song?

I never understood why people would wanna do a specific genre. It's like you don't really know what kind of sound you want to make, but you only know you'd like the label "trap" be put on it.

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Re: Basics of a Trap song?

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I never understood why people would wanna do a specific genre. It's like you don't really know what kind of sound you want to make, but you only know you'd like the label "trap" be put on it.
Because maybe they really like the genre. And learning to produce different geners can only benifit you by learning new things.

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Re: Basics of a Trap song?

I guess.
My feeling is that prior to "how do I do it", you could ask yourself "what do I like about it?"

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Re: Basics of a Trap song?

I usually just sample a trap song and slow it down. Add compression for taste, then it's yours.

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Re: Basics of a Trap song?

Well, there's also Loopmasters. Get yourself those hot new Trap packs, some vocal stems, and lift off a few samples. Boom!

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Re: Basics of a Trap song?

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Re: Basics of a Trap song?

Since I have not really seen the answer you were looking for, I'll give it a try. Trap is (like you probably figured out by now) defined by a 140 BPM, Kicks with lots off sub and a long release time, short rolling snares with a pitch going down and high pitched glitched and/or cut vocals.

For the kick I've seen people using a 808 and for the sub you can just use a pitched down sinewave. You can make it kick more by using some compression and saturation. Make sure you cut out frequencies in you kick for the sub, otherwise it will clash.

For the snares, use some short snares with a nice attack. You can cut out the bass but make sure the snare gets a boost at 1-2 kHz for the crisp in the punch. If you want to make the snare roll, you can put the snare sample in a sampler. Automate the pitch down over 4 beats and your done.

You can use every a capella sample for the vocal. Put it in a synth which can handle samples and play with the pitch, portamento and glide time. You could automate the latter.

Extra bonus tip for you: try triplets on your hats!

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Old 03-07-2016, 09:35 PM   #12
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Re: Basics of a Trap song?

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I guess.
My feeling is that prior to "how do I do it", you could ask yourself "what do I like about it?"
my thoughts exactly...though I agree with Histrionics that there is nothing wrong with wanting to make x genre, but one should ask "why" generally speaking

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Old 03-07-2016, 11:02 PM   #13
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Re: Basics of a Trap song?

if you use fl studio i could upp a template with fl plugin chains
and kicks ive made in sytrus
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Old 03-07-2016, 11:55 PM   #14
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Re: Basics of a Trap song?

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my thoughts exactly...though I agree with Histrionics that there is nothing wrong with wanting to make x genre, but one should ask "why" generally speaking
Why? Because they like it. Any time I produce a new genre my only reasoning for doing it is because I think it's fun.

People get so pretentious about music. Make what you want for whatever reason you want.

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Re: Basics of a Trap song?

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Why? Because they like it. Any time I produce a new genre my only reasoning for doing it is because I think it's fun.

People get so pretentious about music. Make what you want for whatever reason you want.
I think Lug's point was that if you don't even know what you like about (insert genre here), then it feels like you are just attached to the name of the genre. Like if I were just to say - I really want to make breakcore - please hold my hand and tell me how do breakcore?

You'd probably have some suggestions other than, set the tempo to 185, use X drum sample, and gate all the things. You'd probably be curious what sort of breakcore I enjoyed and encourage me to learn.

I don't think it's pretentious to discourage the idea of magic formulas to making paint by numbers (insert genre here) music.
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Re: Basics of a Trap song?

A lot of people get into music through bullshit genres like trap, or learning to play metallica songs. It is a way to learn about music and get into it.

Whether or not they evolve past that is a different story..

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Re: Basics of a Trap song?

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Why? Because they like it. Any time I produce a new genre my only reasoning for doing it is because I think it's fun.

People get so pretentious about music. Make what you want for whatever reason you want.
I really didn't mean it to sound pretentious in the slightest. I just think it might be useful to ask what is it I'm attracted to here? How can I incorporate those things into my sound palette/skill set. Just a suggestion really. I've got nothing against fun and that can certainly be reason enough.

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Re: Basics of a Trap song?

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A lot of people get into music through bullshit genres like trap, or learning to play metallica songs. It is a way to learn about music and get into it.

Whether or not they evolve past that is a different story..
Kind of a two-fold sucker punch diss there. That sort of snobbery is quite popular and I find myself indulging in it as well. We used to laugh at the sort of cheesy chart placing dance tunes that they used to play on the fairgrounds in the early nineties. We knew the real deal and they didn't. It's all a bit pretentious, really. It's just music and simple people either like or don't mind simple formulaic music. Clap here, blow a whistle here (remember those?), fist in the air here.

Every single one of these types of music started out as something original and rather obscure, not known to many. The death of any originality, unfortunately, is the gratuitous imitation of the same idea. Too often do we tend to forget that it was cool when we first heard it.

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Kind of a two-fold sucker punch diss there. That sort of snobbery is quite popular and I find myself indulging in it as well. We used to laugh at the sort of cheesy chart placing dance tunes that they used to play on the fairgrounds in the early nineties. We knew the real deal and they didn't. It's all a bit pretentious, really. It's just music and simple people either like or don't mind simple formulaic music. Clap here, blow a whistle here (remember those?), fist in the air here.

Every single one of these types of music started out as something original and rather obscure, not known to many. The death of any originality, unfortunately, is the gratuitous imitation of the same idea. Too often do we tend to forget that it was cool when we first heard it.
IDM-forums.....

the thing about Trap though is that it's a bunch of white kids piggy-backing on a pre-existing genre from gangsta rap in the south because it was pointed out to them that their 'new genre called Trap' already existed and had been around for years..so they awkwardly try to connect their music with that.

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Re: Basics of a Trap song?

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I think Lug's point was that if you don't even know what you like about (insert genre here), then it feels like you are just attached to the name of the genre. Like if I were just to say - I really want to make breakcore - please hold my hand and tell me how do breakcore?

You'd probably have some suggestions other than, set the tempo to 185, use X drum sample, and gate all the things. You'd probably be curious what sort of breakcore I enjoyed and encourage me to learn.

I don't think it's pretentious to discourage the idea of magic formulas to making paint by numbers (insert genre here) music.
Everyone has to start somewhere. Just like learning the rule of thirds in video. Or your forms in martial arts. Knowing formulas and structures is essential to being a good musician. To expect someone with no knowledge to somehow learn to make music without a sense of structure is retarded. Everyone starts from somewhere. Regardless of the genre you make the same concepts still apply across the board. Whether or not you are an 'intelligent' dance music producer or some fifteen year old kid making hiphop like I was to fit in. The music he wants to make is an expression of who he is right now.

Learning the formulas has helped me immensely in defining my musical identity. My music has become a representation of who I am from learning to make different genres and styles.

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A lot of people get into music through bullshit genres like trap, or learning to play metallica songs. It is a way to learn about music and get into it.

Whether or not they evolve past that is a different story..
See, this is the holier-than-thou attitude I'm talking about. Trap is as legitimate as any other genre of music. Just because you make IDM that doesn't mean somehow your genre is better than any others.

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Kind of a two-fold sucker punch diss there. That sort of snobbery is quite popular and I find myself indulging in it as well. We used to laugh at the sort of cheesy chart placing dance tunes that they used to play on the fairgrounds in the early nineties. We knew the real deal and they didn't. It's all a bit pretentious, really. It's just music and simple people either like or don't mind simple formulaic music. Clap here, blow a whistle here (remember those?), fist in the air here.

Every single one of these types of music started out as something original and rather obscure, not known to many. The death of any originality, unfortunately, is the gratuitous imitation of the same idea. Too often do we tend to forget that it was cool when we first heard it.
Most hipser post award goes to you for that last line. That snobbery is what I hate. It comes from a place of feeling superior to your peers for some arbitrary reason. Not only does it belittle those around you, but also does a disservice to the individual participating in that behavior.

People imitate because they have similar feelings and want to express themselves in a similar way. "I like how this music makes me feel, I want to make other people feel this way too". There is plenty of originality in 'simple' EDM music. It's simply that your expectations are too high. Originality is much more subtle now.

I can feel hipsters being triggered before I even post this.
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