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Old 11-01-2016, 06:36 PM   #1
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3x3 challenge

I listened to Richie Hawtin's new album on the way to work and admired its surgical minimalism. It sparked an idea that I'd like to float here.

I was going to challeng myself to a peculiar challenge: make a track being confined to pick 3 synths (or sampler, but limit of 9 samples) only, limit of three tracks (drum, synth, bass), and any changes to the synths have to be via automation. No limit on FX.

I always find myself ending up its a lot of stuff going on, so this approach would challenge me sufficiently.

Anyone up to joining in? Say, submit be end of Feb?

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Old 11-01-2016, 07:41 PM   #2
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Re: 3x3 challenge

I'd be up for this for sure. Could you define the terms a bit more though please?

1. When you say "track" you mean mixer track yes?
2. The three synth patches we are allowed, does that include the bass patch? Or can the bass be a fourth patch?
3. Theoretically the drums could be composed of, say, 19 drum samples but they all have to be routed to one mixer track?
4. I'm totally lost on the sample/sampler bit. One sampler with 9 samples loaded or something?

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Old 11-01-2016, 08:59 PM   #3
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I'd be up for this for sure. Could you define the terms a bit more though please?

1. When you say "track" you mean mixer track yes?
2. The three synth patches we are allowed, does that include the bass patch? Or can the bass be a fourth patch?
3. Theoretically the drums could be composed of, say, 19 drum samples but they all have to be routed to one mixer track?
4. I'm totally lost on the sample/sampler bit. One sampler with 9 samples loaded or something?
Let's keep it simple, but minimal.

Yes, three tracks in the mixer, each with one instance of a synth/sampler. Each sampler used can hold no more than 9 samples to be used. There can be only three instances of a synth/sampler in the entire project. Maximum of three side chain tracks in the mixer. The three track max is total, so it includes drums, bass, lead. One patch per synth, one sample bank of nine samples per sampler each max.

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Old 11-01-2016, 10:15 PM   #4
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Re: 3x3 challenge

Thanks for clarification. I am really in love with the idea of this project.

I was thinking of only using my newly aquired Analog 4 for this project. No other hardware or FX. Record a single live stereo track to my DAW to edit and process slightly. I'm not sure how to apply your guidelines to to this : ) But things would naturally end up fairly minimal.

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Old 11-01-2016, 10:45 PM   #5
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I'm in post my JAWM if you can wait till February! Plus I will use this as a good way to learn my new (to me ) mpc 1 k!

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Old 11-01-2016, 10:53 PM   #6
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Re: 3x3 challenge

One more! I am assuming you also mean no sub groups in ableton? As in no drum racks?

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Old 11-01-2016, 11:40 PM   #7
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Re: 3x3 challenge

The idea is, really, to limit yourself to three sound generators total. I can think of a whole lot of fancy ways to implement workarounds, but that's really not the point.
Three sound sources only, each putting out into one main track and a side chain channel, that's it. If you use a sampler, including a sample based drum kit, you are allowed nine sounds/samples only. Basically something like an 808. If you use an 808 or a 909, you can use all of the sounds. If you use a sampler, no more than nine.

Project submissions should list instruments used. I'm sure that many of us will use the side chain to do some fancy sound mangling using automation and FX. Would be nice to hear how you manage to do double duty with your sound sources.

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Old 11-01-2016, 11:44 PM   #8
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Re: 3x3 challenge

Done! I am in i will (try) and do it only mpc 1k into ableton live!

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Old 12-01-2016, 12:02 AM   #9
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Re: 3x3 challenge

im in but im still very confused

9 samples to me means i can make a track easy by sampling a record and then drums and a bass but thats not the point really is it?

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Old 12-01-2016, 12:04 AM   #10
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Re: 3x3 challenge

I think he means single shot samples!

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Old 12-01-2016, 01:30 AM   #11
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Re: 3x3 challenge

Come on, guys... the point is about restraint. Single shot samples or short loops is what I'm talking about.
In the spirit of the challenge, let's keep it to 3 seconds.

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Old 14-01-2016, 09:31 AM   #12
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Re: 3x3 challenge

This is a super dope idea, and im down.
But i have one question... for drum.. wouldn't we need to use a loops or something since a kick and snare will take a track each themselves?

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Old 15-01-2016, 06:57 PM   #13
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Re: 3x3 challenge

That sounds like a great idea. I might do that for my next track!

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Old 15-01-2016, 07:08 PM   #14
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Re: 3x3 challenge

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This is a super dope idea, and im down.
But i have one question... for drum.. wouldn't we need to use a loops or something since a kick and snare will take a track each themselves?
How about three sound generators only. I see what you mean.

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Old 15-01-2016, 07:10 PM   #15
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i'm down with this. although i think 9 samples per instance is far too generous really and could be kept to he format of 3 like everything else. i use less that 9 drums instruments on most of my tracks so i feel that's just defeating the object slightly. especially when you can make on track be the whole drum and perc track easy enough. and when you say changes can be made only by automation, you mean via fx & synth automation only or can we actually structure our tracks in the normal way? and have various midi clips etc?
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Re: 3x3 challenge

Question about the unlimited FX in FL Studio: Do I have unlimited automation clips to go with those FX? In FL, each sequence of MIDI/Audio (drums/synth/bass) takes 1 track in the sequencer and you can put one automation clip on top of that, but to do more would require more sequencer tracks, or a limitation on how much I can modulate at one time.
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Re: 3x3 challenge

Oh speaking of Richie hawtin there is a good piece with him in the latest future music, worth checking out if you are a fan!

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Do we have a deadline on this? I was going to get started first chance I get.

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Re: 3x3 challenge

Sorry if this is confusing...

What I was thinking is using three instruments only. If you use a sampler it can only have nine samples of single shots, 3 sec tops. That means nine drum sounds. Not sure, benwaa, how you make tracks with only three one shot samples only. That would be one kick, one snare, and one hi-hat?

Say you use a 909 and a 303 clone and one synth, that's it as far as the idea goes. Anything beyond that would have to come from automating and using FX. Somewhat like using hardware only, so changing presets via automation really isn't the idea (but if you use a multi Osc synth, seems legit to do some fancy tuning of the sound, e.g. Utilizing all six oscillators in Blue).

Actually, as I started thinking it through, it started to feel pretty limiting.

So, three units that generate sound (synth, drum computer, sampler) only. Each individual sampler no more than 9 samples each, with samples 3 sec max). That's it.

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