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Old 05-18-2012, 04:43 AM   #1
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Ad·ver·sary is fucking awesome.

So, at the Kinetic Festival tonight, opening for Nachtmahr and Combichrist... Ad·ver·sary had this video playing behind him:

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Old 05-18-2012, 06:35 AM   #2
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Re: Ad·ver·sary is fucking awesome.

Next level shock.
Dis the main act and state the obvious, right on man.
I wonder how long they'll be around?
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Old 05-18-2012, 08:22 AM   #3
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Re: Ad·ver·sary is fucking awesome.

They surely have a point, but the easy answer to this could simply be that Combichrist and Nachtwhatever are doing that just as a provocation and Ad-ver-sary and Antigen Shift were too busy being high and mighty, to understand it...

Now, I wouldn't go as far as saying that Combichrist or Nachtsomething have any meaning behind them, but the whole thing is easy to dismiss.
Plus they didn't mind playing for the larger crowd that those two band brought, did they?

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Re: Ad·ver·sary is fucking awesome.

these guys became my new heroes. seriously.

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Old 05-18-2012, 03:46 PM   #5
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Re: Ad·ver·sary is fucking awesome.

What has been the reaction of Combijesus and Nachtwhatever?

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Re: Ad·ver·sary is fucking awesome.

congrats to I·liek·dots, 'tis no small feat to appear even lamer than combichrist
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Next level shock.
Dis the main act and state the obvious, right on man.
I wonder how long they'll be around?

Mmm that's a good question....truthfully I have no idea how long we'll be around... but if the 10 years we have been doing it is all we get, and if playing every major industrial festival internationally is all we can say we got to do, so be it. It was a fun ride
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They surely have a point, but the easy answer to this could simply be that Combichrist and Nachtwhatever are doing that just as a provocation and Ad-ver-sary and Antigen Shift were too busy being high and mighty, to understand it...

Now, I wouldn't go as far as saying that Combichrist or Nachtsomething have any meaning behind them, but the whole thing is easy to dismiss.
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Re: Ad·ver·sary is fucking awesome.

shit...i just realized that i saw this guy play at a small cafe show here in Ottawa a few months back...

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shit...i just realized that i saw this guy play at a small cafe show here in Ottawa a few months back...
He just moved from there to Toronto a short while ago, IIRC. I played with him when he came around with iVardensphere and Iszoloscope. All great guys.

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Re: Ad·ver·sary is fucking awesome.

I find it compelling that when someone states the blaring obvious (or common sense), they are awesome.

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Old 05-20-2012, 04:13 AM   #12
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Re: Ad·ver·sary is fucking awesome.

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So, at the Kinetic Festival tonight, opening for Nachtmahr and Combichrist... Ad·ver·sary had this video playing behind him:
Ad·ver·sary is awesome.

I'm 50/50 agreeing with the video... I liked Combichrist's response to the video in an interview from idieyoudie's site. (I'm sorry I don't have 30 messages to link to it...) I'm surprised at Thomas Rainer's (Nachtmahr) response, though. I thought he would say more.

Regardless, the video's message was intriguing and makes people think. I know it made me do so. Powerful message, indeed.
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I'm surprised at Thomas Rainer's (Nachtmahr) response, though. I thought he would say more.
It's short,but he's got a point, actually more than I expected.

It feels like power-electronics and noise are the only fringes of Industrial music that still dare to be provocative and go against the Politically Correct majority.

I felt the same about the punk scene, in the 2000 it got quite dull, everyone was competing to be more pc than you.

On the other hand, you also have too many people who take provocation way too seriously, it's not so easy to strike a fine balance.

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Old 05-20-2012, 06:48 PM   #14
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Re: Ad·ver·sary is fucking awesome.

It's delicate to walk a line between art or making a statement, and glorifying something bad.

It's possible to glorify something whether you're trying to or not. Obviously a person is responsible for their own actions but people are also influenceable. Just because you meant something as a joke or as just a story about a character/told as a character, doesn't mean people won't take it dead seriously.
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It's short,but he's got a point, actually more than I expected.

It feels like power-electronics and noise are the only fringes of Industrial music that still dare to be provocative and go against the Politically Correct majority.

I felt the same about the punk scene, in the 2000 it got quite dull, everyone was competing to be more pc than you.

On the other hand, you also have too many people who take provocation way too seriously, it's not so easy to strike a fine balance.
Exactly! Quick and to the point. But, still, I love how he comes across.

As for the punk scene relating to EBM here - totally agreed. The rebellion needs to continue, regardless.
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Re: Ad·ver·sary is fucking awesome.

very good and well made points but the author seems to gloss over the fact that it swings both ways: if you have anything relevant or interesting to say, you don't get to the point where the boldest most provocative thing you can do is rag on people who are powerful in your scene, and the most radical statement you have to offer is "sexism is offensive"
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Re: Ad·ver·sary is fucking awesome.

I liked Icon of Coil better...

As for the drama/dispute/provocation, that's not really new. In 2003 I was playing in a power-electronics band, enjoying all the clichés of the PE scenes and the all "cultural terrorist" thingy.
Obviously live we played wearing uniforms and balaklavas, even though in one of our tracks I was shouting things like "all those uniform-wearing retards look stupid, I piss in their direction", "terrorism, violence and balaklavas are always a cool topic of conversation", "angry lyrics and empty rage are worthless" and so forth.
Wow, so shocking, so new, so unconformist.

Like Crass singing Punk is dead in 1978.
Dead Kennedys singing "Punk's not dead it just deserves to die" in 1986.

Let's face it, Industrial music (apart from the most extreme fringes and I'm not too sure about that either) lost its edge. Sure, there's still the odd band that tries to convey a message or attempt something new, but it's mostly a nice clean wanna-be provocative dance act or very cerebral and cold, idm inspired stuff.

It still nice to see Adversary speaking out about this, but well, not really ground breaking, is it?

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Let's face it, Industrial music (apart from the most extreme fringes and I'm not too sure about that either) lost its edge. Sure, there's still the odd band that tries to convey a message or attempt something new, but it's mostly a nice clean wanna-be provocative dance act or very cerebral and cold, idm inspired stuff.
After all, this is the end of any cultural vanguardism which is not temporary, and which had time for its language/symbolism to be codified in a strict way. It ends up in cliches in the best cases, or "recuperated" in the worst.
The fact is, the anti-mainstream is a stream itself which runs in the same big cultural framework...

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