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Old 30-11-2009, 06:06 PM   #1
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Classical with synths? (Is it still classical?)

Let's say one were to write a classical piece, the entire piece uses nothing but obviously synthesized instruments, none of which sound remotely like their real-life counterparts, yet the entire song follows all the genre regulations and theory that applies to classical music with the exception of filter manipulation, and if you were to take the score and print it out, it would be entirely playable by a decent orchestra.

Is it still classical?

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Old 30-11-2009, 06:27 PM   #2
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1. No.
2. Who cares anyways?
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Old 30-11-2009, 07:09 PM   #3
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Old 30-11-2009, 07:16 PM   #4
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Re: Classical with synths? (Is it still classical?)

^ha

I tend to write music using classical theory and arrangement techniques, but it is by no means classical music. the instrumentation plays a big role in the perception of the piece.

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Old 30-11-2009, 08:06 PM   #5
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Neo classical?


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Old 30-11-2009, 08:14 PM   #6
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It's this:

I have a copy of it on vinyl at home.
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Old 30-11-2009, 10:53 PM   #7
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It's this:

I have a copy of it on vinyl at home.
Hah, love that cover.

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Walter/Wendy Carlos was my introduction to the wonderful world of synths. Love that stuff.

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Old 01-12-2009, 06:21 PM   #11
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Re: Classical with synths? (Is it still classical?)

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Hah, perfect, that's exactly what I'm talking about. But is it classical or some other weird genre?

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Old 01-12-2009, 06:30 PM   #12
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Re: Classical with synths? (Is it still classical?)

So, what do we define as classical? Is it a certain composition and arrangement of notes in a conventional sense established by a certain community in an artistic world of individuals? Is it all about the instruments we apply to the composition? This discussion could get very philosophical and interesting. Let's see what you can come up with.

For myself, I find it as difficult of a question as that of "What is art?", since who decides what art is? For a person who has studied classical composition and theories of music it would not be classical. Would metal played on a synthesizer be metal or would it just sound like the intro to an old 8 bit video game?

Ah yes, the strange question of defining a genre and accepting it's artitic value.
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The music would be classical, the "recording" would be popular/mockup.
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Old 04-12-2009, 11:44 PM   #14
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Old 05-12-2009, 12:02 AM   #15
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Re: Classical with synths? (Is it still classical?)

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Neo classical?

exactly. As soon as people started making synths and little bleepy electro boxes or whatever composers were incorporating them into their music.... Good examples of this come from guys like Karlheinz Stockhausen or Edgar Varese... upto more contemporary composers like Steve Reich, John Cage or Frank Zappa....

But like everything else, humankind has the urge to catagorise everything into their little classifications.... so i'm sure a lot of it does branch out into their weird little sub-genres....

But yeah, i would guess it woud still fall under the catagory of classical......

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look up raymond scott on youtube, specifically some of his early electronic recordings and the "manhattan research project"

not only was he a very accomplished classical composer (he wrote the looney tunes theme song among others) He also had a degree in electrical engineering and he designed, created and bilt some of his own synths in the 50's

The Theremin is another example as it saw limited acceptance in the "classical" scene as was played with some orchestras and has a decidedly synth sound
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Manhattan Reaserch:- have been listening to it over the last couple of days! What a genuinely crazy album!

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Re: Classical with synths? (Is it still classical?)

Anyone heard of the Turangalīla-Symphonie? Cool modern work, prominently features a (really) old-school synth, the ondes Martenot.

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Old 02-03-2011, 05:22 PM   #19
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What Coax said.
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Re: Classical with synths? (Is it still classical?)

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Anyone heard of the Turangalīla-Symphonie? Cool modern work, prominently features a (really) old-school synth, the ondes Martenot.
That work by Messiaen is one of my all-time favorites! I've revisited it probably twice a year since I first heard it about ten years ago...

In regards to the topic of the thread, that is far too blurry of a line. There's certainly music I'd call "classical" that would NOT be playable by any instruments or people (ie Poeme Electronique by Varese, electronic works by Xenakis, Pierre Schaeffer, etc.). There's also works by "pop artists" that could easily be transcribed and performed by classical performers (the piano/prepared piano tracks by Aphex Twin in Drukqs).

Best to just enjoy it all for what it is, or if you need to describe it, it's often a combination of styles and influences... I mean really, even classical can be subdivided about a thousand times, and another hundred after that....

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